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No jockey for Sir Des Champs 2nd fav in GC, McCoy riding no hoper, no hoper withdrawn, McCoy now rides SDC. Not that I’m a cynic.
Probably best I stay out of this one.
If anybody wants to hear swear words they haven’t heard before, feel free to send me a message.
Don’t get it?
If JP & Jonnjo were happy for AP to ride SDC now that he had no jockey, why did they need to ‘suspiciously’ withdraw Sunnyhillboy to facilitate that if the horse wasn’t genuinely unfit to race?
Just keep the latter in the race with a new jockey.
Mike
Mike, think this sums it up
"As long as Sunnyhill Boy remains in the race, the rules of racing would not allow Tony McCoy to switch mounts, and ride another horse"
BHA’s Robin Mounsey, last night.
Mike, think this sums it up
"As long as Sunnyhill Boy remains in the race, the rules of racing would not allow Tony McCoy to switch mounts, and ride another horse"
BHA’s Robin Mounsey, last night.
Thanks VTC, I withdraw my previous comments!!
Anyone know the exact rules for this…?
Mike
Suspicious?
Who cares?
May be Townend and Cooper, but look at the balls up Townend made of Boston Bob. Cooper is massively promising, but inexperienced for a ride like this. A few ante-post punters on Sunnyhillboy may not like it, but connections wouldn’t need any reason to take the horse out before the overnight stage.In my opinion if Sunnyhillboy is fit and well – JP isn’t my favourite owner, but it is a wonderful gesture to take the horse out and enable AP to ride Sir Des. It is a shame they need to make any excuses at all to withdraw.
Value Is EverythingMike, think this sums it up
"As long as Sunnyhill Boy remains in the race, the rules of racing would not allow Tony McCoy to switch mounts, and ride another horse"
BHA’s Robin Mounsey, last night.
Thanks VTC, I withdraw my previous comments!!
Anyone know the exact rules for this…?
Mike
25.2 Paragraph 25.1 does not apply in any case where
25.2.1 the Authority or Stewards direct that it does not apply, or
25.2.2 the Stewards authorise the substitution of a Rider who has been weighed out for a particular horse but who is prevented, before he has come under Starter’s Orders, from riding in the race on account of accident or illness.25.3 Paragraph 25.1 does not apply where the Authority or Stewards are satisfied that any of the following circumstances apply and that the new Rider can be weighed within the appropriate time, as determined by Rule 22.3
25.3.1 if the declared Rider is ill or unfit to ride another Rider may be substituted,
25.3.2 if the declared Rider is not qualified to ride another Rider may be substituted,
25.3.3 a meeting on the same day has been abandoned and the substitute Rider was declared to ride at the abandoned meeting,
25.3.4 the substitute Rider was declared to ride at another meeting on the same day and one of his declared rides is unable to run,
25.3.5 the substitute Rider was declared to ride another horse in the same race but the horse is unable to run,
25.3.6 the substitute Rider was not declared to ride because he had already been declared to ride at nine meetings but subsequently did not ride at one of those meetings,
25.3.7 if the delared Rider is due to carry 1lb or more overweight another Rider may be substituted, or
25.3.8 in such other circumstances as the Authority or the Stewards consider acceptable.25.4 Paragraph 25.1 does not apply if the Stewards authorise a Rider for a horse where
25.4.1 the horse has been declared to run under Rule (F)89,
25.4.2 no Rider has been declared for the horse as required under Rule (F)92,
25.4.3 the Stewards have received a request for authorisation from a Person listed in Rule 24.1, and
25.4.4 the authorisation is given not less than three-quarters of an hour before the time fixed for the race.25.5 Where a Rider switches rides in the circumstance specified in Paragraph 25.3.4, the Trainer of the horse to which the Rider is switching must inform The Racing Calendar Office of the change at the earliest opportunity.
25.6 The Trainer or Owner of a horse shall be taken to have contravened a requirement imposed on him by these Rules in any case where25.6.1 the Authority or the Stewards permit a substitution because, at the instruction of the Trainer or owner, the declared Rider is not present to ride, but
25.6.2 they are not satisfied that any of the circumstances specified in Paragraphs 25.3.1 to 25.3.8 apply.25.7 In all races, other than those confined to
25.7.1 Apprentice Jockeys
25.7.2 Conditional Jockeys
25.7.3 Amateur Riders, or
25.7.4 both Conditional Jockeys and Amateur Riderswhere a Rider is prevented from weighing out in the circumstances specified in Rule (D)42.5, the new Rider must be of a similar level regarding claiming a Rider’s allowance.
So, for example, a Rider who claims any Rider’s allowance must be replaced by a Rider who also claims any Rider’s allowance.
25.8 The Trainer must, without delay and without exception, request approval from25.8.1 The Racing Calendar Office, or
25.8.2 if he is at the racecourse, the Stewardswhere the declared Rider will not be riding and a new Rider has been identified as provided for in Paragraphs 25.3.1 to 25.3.8.
Interesting on R5 Live this morning when they were discussing the possibility of McCoy riding SDC. I think it may have been Luke Harvey who said something like ‘the rules of racing prevent a jockey from getting off one horse to ride another but sometimes things happen’. Yep something certainly happened.
Very poor rule that would allow Ruby Walsh to switch to Sir Des Champs but not AP McCoy.
All jockeys should be treated the same whoever they ride for. If a ride becomes available I see no good reason why a jockey shouldn’t be allowed to switch if they want to.
Suspicious?
Who cares?
May be Townend and Cooper, but look at the balls up Townend made of Boston Bob. Cooper is massively promising, but inexperienced for a ride like this. A few ante-post punters on Sunnyhillboy may not like it, but connections wouldn’t need any reason to take the horse out before the overnight stage.In my opinion if Sunnyhillboy is fit and well – JP isn’t my favourite owner, but it is a wonderful gesture to take the horse out and enable AP to ride Sir Des. It is a shame they need to make any excuses at all to withdraw.
I would stick to percentages. A complete lack of understanding of the issue at hand.
Suspicious?
Who cares?
May be Townend and Cooper, but look at the balls up Townend made of Boston Bob. Cooper is massively promising, but inexperienced for a ride like this. A few ante-post punters on Sunnyhillboy may not like it, but connections wouldn’t need any reason to take the horse out before the overnight stage.In my opinion if Sunnyhillboy is fit and well – JP isn’t my favourite owner, but it is a wonderful gesture to take the horse out and enable AP to ride Sir Des. It is a shame they need to make any excuses at all to withdraw.
Come on Ginger. I like a lot of what you say but you are talking nonsense here. Overnight declarations of jockeys were brought in for a reason. It matters a lot. This just brings racing into disrepute. The BHA should be able to have Sunnyhillboy checked themselves.
Very poor rule that would allow Ruby Walsh to switch to Sir Des Champs but not AP McCoy.
All jockeys should be treated the same whoever they ride for. If a ride becomes available I see no good reason why a jockey shouldn’t be allowed to switch if they want to.
I can see why it is frowned upon Eddie/Stilvi/Ken. If an owner or two freinds etc have two horses in a race – one is jocked up for AP and one a 10lb conditional jockey… It’s easy for the conditional (on the 16/1 shot) to suddenly get a small injury etc and AP to switch – For a betting coup. Obvious, such things should be stopped.
However, when things like this happen; jockeys should be able to appeal to stewards for special dispensation to switch rides; without needing to make excuses or pull Sunnyhillboy out.
Value Is EverythingVery poor rule that would allow Ruby Walsh to switch to Sir Des Champs but not AP McCoy.
I can see why it is frowned upon Eddie/Stilvi/Ken. If an owner or two freinds etc have two horses in a race – one is jocked up for AP and one a 10lb conditional jockey… It’s easy for the conditional (on the 16/1 shot) to suddenly get a small injury etc and AP to switch – For a btting coup.
However, when things like this happen; jockeys should be able to appeal to stewards for special dispensation to switch rides; without needing to make excuses or pull Sunnyhillboy out.
Gingertipster,
It is a very poor rule that would allow Ruby Walsh to switch from Silviniaco Conti to Sir Des Champs, if he wanted to but not AP McCoy from Sunnyhillboy to Sir Des Champs.
Suspicious?
Who cares?
May be Townend and Cooper, but look at the balls up Townend made of Boston Bob. Cooper is massively promising, but inexperienced for a ride like this. A few ante-post punters on Sunnyhillboy may not like it, but connections wouldn’t need any reason to take the horse out before the overnight stage.In my opinion if Sunnyhillboy is fit and well – JP isn’t my favourite owner, but it is a wonderful gesture to take the horse out and enable AP to ride Sir Des. It is a shame they need to make any excuses at all to withdraw.
Would you be so sanguine if it had been a horse on which you had an ante-post bet?
Yet another example of a big stable cocking a snook at the rules.
The BHA should be asking questions about when the horse was scoped, it isn’t normal to scope a horse on the day of a race. If it was scoped yesterday why wasn’t it withdrawn yesterday?
The self certification rules are a farce, be it an example like today or a horse being pulled out because it has a poor draw at a course like Chester or Beverley.
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