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Don’t really think it’s fair to call Irving a bridle horse. He might quicken and find plenty for all we know. Vautour got the run of the race last time and beat a horse (TTT) that needs further. He won’t get such an easy time of things in the hurly burly Supreme and I can see Irving settling better at a quicker tempo. After Saturday, Irving stands out for me. Something may improve for better ground or just be completely unexposed and win but I’ll be surprised if Vautour beats Irving. I may look silly after the race but hey ho.
For a horse that needs further, The Tullow Tank wasn’t making any inroads on Vautour after the last who was only pushed out to win. The faster they go the better for Vautour imo, he doesn’t need to lead at all, but if nothing wants to make it I’m sure Ruby will let him stride on. I’m not saying Irving can’t beat Vautour but the Ricci hoss should be clear fav imo.
Don’t really think it’s fair to call Irving a bridle horse. He might quicken and find plenty for all we know. Vautour got the run of the race last time and beat a horse (TTT) that needs further. He won’t get such an easy time of things in the hurly burly Supreme and I can see Irving settling better at a quicker tempo. After Saturday, Irving stands out for me. Something may improve for better ground or just be completely unexposed and win but I’ll be surprised if Vautour beats Irving. I may look silly after the race but hey ho.
For a horse that needs further, The Tullow Tank wasn’t making any inroads on Vautour after the last who was only pushed out to win. The faster they go the better for Vautour imo, he doesn’t need to lead at all, but if nothing wants to make it I’m sure Ruby will let him stride on. I’m not saying Irving can’t beat Vautour but the Ricci hoss should be clear fav imo.
Yeah I think my take on the race was that Vautour got an easy lead and that TTT couldn’t quicken off a slow pace to close. I feel that Irving has been more visually impressive and whilst he still has questions to answer, the way he put the race to bed on Saturday and with Nicholls saying nothing in his yard can go with him over 5F, it leaves me feeling that he could be the real deal.
I understand irving looked more impressive.But he makes mistakes and pulls…Maybe saying irving is a bridle horse isnt fair.But to label Vautours victory over TTT an easy lead off a slow pace isnt fair either imo.He jumoed fast and accurate and jumping the last the TTT had chance to get to vautour but he wouldnt let him past his quarters..What about vautours grade 2 win beating western boy?,he might even gone a nose down at one point but still found the battling qualities to win 3/4 lengths..As we all know them qualities are very valuable in a supreme winner!!
I understand irving looked more impressive.But he makes mistakes and pulls…Maybe saying irving is a bridle horse isnt fair.But to label Vautours victory over TTT an easy lead off a slow pace isnt fair either imo.He jumoed fast and accurate and jumping the last the TTT had chance to get to vautour but he wouldnt let him past his quarters..What about vautours grade 2 win beating western boy?,he might even gone a nose down at one point but still found the battling qualities to win 3/4 lengths..As we all know them qualities are very valuable in a supreme winner!!
That win over Western Boy was achieved despite him being "huge" according to Rich Ricci. When he referred to him as "could be special" that was time to sit up and take note. He may be a flash ex-banker, but he knows his horses and is always willing to update punters (you may argue this point re Annie Power though!!).
Vautour weak as a kitten on Betfair
Not a lot of money waiting to back Faugheen in the Neptune either…
Vautour weak as a kitten on Betfair
Not a lot of money waiting to back Faugheen in the Neptune either…
I don’t use the exchanges but:-
According to oddschecker Faugheen currently 2.8/1?
Isn’t any weakness in Vautour offset by the strength in Irving. If that horse can reproduce his speed around Cheltenham he is going to be very difficult to beat. Personally, I think the market overreacted to Vautour beating a lethargic The Tullow Tank.
The one thing ante-post punters don’t want is Mullins switching Briar Hill from the Albert Bartlett. That target has been taken as read for several months. About the only thing that has.
Whichever way you look at the form vautours is already there and in the book.You can only beat whats put in front off you and vautour beat a dual grade one winner.Couldn’t it off just been vautour is a better horse?.He jumped well quickened and the TTT couldn’t get a blow in?.What has irving beaten?.Surely your taking a visual display instead off actually seen the form in the book.People who knock vautour i cant wait till the 11th march im very confident he will win this race almost my nap off the meeting.If im wrong i’ll hold my hands up.But the forms in the book he put a dual grade one winner TTT in his place last time they met and he was beaten fair and square.
Vautour weak as a kitten on Betfair
Not a lot of money waiting to back Faugheen in the Neptune either…
Small money (£20) queued up to lay him at 12s, now corrected itself?
Could this be some joker thinking he’s got an ‘in’ ? If there was substance wouldnt there be a proper queue of money waiting to be laid?Vautour is on the serious drift 4-1 with coral.Is they a injury scare?.Maybe going for the neptune if somethings wrong with fagheen?.
Henderson ruled out Cheltenham after Vaniteux bolted up at Doncaster. As far as I know he has made no comment since. So why have half a dozen bookmakers trimmed his price? There is of course a stable tour in tomorrow’s Post – wonder if it mentions a rethink?
Vautour weak as a kitten on Betfair
Not a lot of money waiting to back Faugheen in the Neptune either…
I don’t use the exchanges but:-
According to oddschecker Faugheen currently 2.8/1?
Isn’t any weakness in Vautour offset by the strength in Irving. If that horse can reproduce his speed around Cheltenham he is going to be very difficult to beat. Personally, I think the market overreacted to Vautour beating a lethargic The Tullow Tank.
The one thing ante-post punters don’t want is Mullins switching Briar Hill from the Albert Bartlett. That target has been taken as read for several months. About the only thing that has.
Faugheen wasn’t too bad, bit weak, but there was a serious drift on Vautour earlier. Matched for peanuts at 25s, while all the money waiting to back him at around the 4/1 mark was hoovered; there was only between £20 and £30 waiting to back him at one stage, at big prices. Then someone came in to back him with £500 at 5/1 and he’s back into around 4/1 now. Given the money for Wicklow Brave today I’d wonder did that horse do an exceptional bit of work with Vautour, but that’s just guessing on my part.
The two week period leading up to the festival is a perilous one for the ante post punter, unless theyre on NRNB. Some serious setbacks this week, I’ll be leaving it until the day now to add any further bets.
The Supreme looks a minefield to me, not totally convinced about Irving despite his unblemished record and the outsiders look a bit weak. Maybe Josses Hill or The Liquidator for me at the moment.
Have you seen the amazing offer from paddy power for the supreme?.If your horse finished 2nd 3rd or fourth you get your win single back
Yeah, I wasn’t going to back Irving but they have now twisted my arm……
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That paddypower offer is superb, having backed The Liquidator (25/1) ante-post I think I’ll end up backing both Irving and Vatour for this with them, find it hard seeing them not place in the top 4 and would have thought one of them will win it!
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I’m siding towards Vautour, similar prep to Champagne Fever last year and even looked more impressive than the latter in the Deloitte in my opinion. I also think he’s more likely to get up the hill than Irving.
I’m sleeping alot easier now the scare of tuesday with the drifting of Vautour has been passed off by all as a load of nonsense. After covering off Irving on the Paddy Special, it’s time to go in again at 100/30 NRNB. This horse is the real deal he has everything you want in a Supreme Winner.
There is a genuine chance that Walsh/Mullins could have the 4 timer up on Tuesday and if you’re not already on it’s got to be worth a couple of quid because i’ll be on here shouting "told you so" !!
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