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- July 23, 2021 at 20:05 #1551695
Now before anyone as a moan. Yes I did back Alpine Star and I accept my loss, it is part and parcelof gambling, but this is what annoys me and really puts me off racing.
Alpine Star is rated upwards of 16lbs ahead of the field.
The trainer(who I am not a fan of) states in the press that the horse had a “little” setback early in the season hence the late start but was fit and ready to go. One cannot call the trainer out but one must really question that after the result.
Anyway, the horse drifts from an early morning price of 1/3 to a starting price of 4/5. That in itself is a huge drift. Did someone know if something was wrong with the horse? Was it not fit despite the trainers public assertion that the horse was fit.
So to my point. Why have the stewards not asked the question of the trainer as to why it got beat by a horse rated 26lb inferior and not had the horse tested after the race to see if it was unwell.
I know everyone will say it is the horses first race back blah blah blah but the ordinary betting punter will think well that is a fix, racing is bent and when things like this happen and there is no public explanation I understand why.
Just ask the trainer the question. Why did the horse run poorly, which in relation to its rating it really did and get an explantion from the trainerso the betting public know.July 23, 2021 at 20:22 #1551697Alphine Star at her best would slaughter that field but Hannon is on fire and talked Aristo up before her run at Royal Ascot
1/3 too short on return against that field after a set back and the price possibly sorted itself out
She battled back well after being headed but doubt the jockey would have been instructed to kill her first time out. Travelled the best but possibly short of match fitness
1/3 and 4/5 shots get beat every day in every sport, would the ordinary punter say they are fixed aswell or just horse racing?Gaelic Warrior Gold Cup Winner 2026
July 23, 2021 at 20:37 #1551699NH the price may have been to short in the morning granted and yes at her best she would have beaten them easily. That is exactly my point though. Yes she was beaten and favourites get beat everyday at short odds, but at least ask the question to the trainer and jockey and have the horse tested so the betting public know what the score is.
To my mind to ignore a result like this without explanation and just accpet it does leave a bitter taste tbh. If the trainer had said before the race and in the media, look she is not 100%, will need the run because of the setback which was a,b or c and we are looking at future targets then fine I accept it and take my chance by backing it.
This however will certainly not bring more people to the sport that is for sure.July 24, 2021 at 02:28 #1551721If the trainer of Alpine Star had said before the race that it needed the run, would that not have left her open to a charge of schooling on the racecourse?
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I've walked and I crawled on six crooked highwaysJuly 24, 2021 at 03:11 #1551724There would hardly be a trainer not banned if the stewards enforced that one Purwell.
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July 24, 2021 at 08:23 #1551742I can remember reading an article in which a wise old trainer (can’t remember who, sadly) opined that a horse should run at its minimum effective trip on its return from a layoff.
Mrs Harrington has obviously not read the same interview.
July 24, 2021 at 08:42 #1551747Trainers tend to work horses over shorter than their actual race trip at home (presumably to avoid blunting speed and taking the edge off them) so it would make sense for a first race back after a lay-off (a sort of halfway house between a home gallop and a season an objective?) to be as short of the optimum as possible.
I always think it’s better for a horse mentally to be finishing a race passing horses than weakening and being overtaken by them.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"July 24, 2021 at 09:54 #1551754Might have been a little setback but also possible that the horse may not have progressed from 3 to 4 or even gone backward although next time will tell more. I think the run was encouraging enough to suggest she will be sharper next time out. Looked a tad fresh too with the jockey having a tight grip
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July 24, 2021 at 13:30 #1551802I am not sure anyone is saying the race was “fixed”, just that the stewards ought to be asking questions when a horse, apparently so superior to its rivals, is beaten to ensure punters have as much information as possible. In practice, we know they believe whatever excuse the trainer offers, regardless of its implausibility or subsequent contradiction but, if they aren’t going to at least ask, what’s the point of them?
July 25, 2021 at 12:40 #1551946I was certainly not saying the race was fixed at all. Just why the stewards cannot ask a basic question on behalf of punters in situations like this and yes the trainer may say a load of cobblers just to appease them but at least the ordinary punter then knows why the horse did not perform to its ability
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