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    Avatar photoKris
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    I want Pinatubo to win so much, but I will bet Palace Pier at 4-1.

    #1491432
    Mike007
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    I’ve talked myself into Palace Pier 9-2 ew. With what Gosden has done with Lord North and Fanny Logan this week Ive decided to throw my dart his way.

    #1491455
    FinalFurlong91
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    two of the non guineas runners will do me

    Palace pier who I backed as soon as entries came through at 11/2 and have just had a bit on Threat

    Really think pinatubo and Wichita had hard races and are worth taking on

    #1491508
    greenasgrass
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    Agree the guineas was tough and I have joined those of you on Palace Pier

    #1491509
    greenasgrass
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    Great finish. I wonder if there had been an extra week after the guineas what the result would have been like. Palace Pier has a great big stride though.

    #1491510
    Mike007
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    I picked the right one. Wd winners. Weaver making excuses for Pinatubo dunno why – he came through to win his race but couldn’t. Wichita making the running was strange ended up a sitting duck.

    #1491514
    Austin
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    Dirty tactics from O’Brien horse Royal Donroch who was constantly bumping into Threat. :-(

    #1491515
    LD73
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    Utter nonsense from Weaver saying Buick should have held on to him for longer and in fact followed Dettori and do him for speed later in the straight.
    The best horse won on the day (drawing away at the finish) and he is only going to improve for racing and whilst Pinatubo has run very well again in defeat, I think this is simply more proof that his contemporaries have (developement wise) caught up and even surpassed him from 2 to 3.
    I do think a stiff mile is probably right on the upper limit stamina wise and whilst they have muted the Sussex Stakes as a next target I don’t think he would look out of place in a July Cup over that stiff 6F uphill finish on the July course and/or the Maurice de Gheest over 6.5F and the Foret over 7F as it may well be that 7F is his optimal trip.

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    Avatar photojackh1092
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    Palace Pier looks very very good. I know people have said Derby, Leger etc…..i don’t get it at all.

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    Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!

    #1491525
    greenasgrass
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    Poor little Royal Doorknob didn’t look happy at all. I feel sorry for those sacrificial domestique horses getting mucked about with…must be so confusung when they had been originally been trained to race.

    #1491527
    FinalFurlong91
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    He won it snugly in the end, frankie only gave him a couple of taps with the stick so must’ve been confident he had plenty of horse under him

    Agree about the derby and leger Jack, how any bookie can put a horse sired by kingman in as fav for the leger is beyond me

    I’d think 10f would be his absolute max

    Prix jaques le marois is his next main aim apparently

    #1491564
    Mike007
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    LD73 I agree with you about the idea of dropping back in trip. Paul Kealy made a comment in the paper about Pinatubo after the race saying “He’s got a better chance of staying ten furlongs than people think.” That’s just a bit crazy to me.

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    TheTinMan87
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    Just going off the ATR sectionals for the SJP against the Coronation Stakes, hadn’t seen this mentioned yet but Alpine Star actually ran a quicker time than Palace Pier carrying the same weight which is significant as she’d be getting 3lbs racing against the boys. They crawled through the SJP relative to the Coronation Stakes – Palace Pier has covered the final 2F in 23.39 compared to 25.75 for Alpine Star and yet she has still clocked the quicker time.

    The notion that Pinatubo doesn’t stay a mile is nonsense he’s been placed now in two Group 1’s over a mile, one very strongly run and one which turned into a relative sprint so to me he isn’t short on either front but has bumped into two very good horses in Palace Pier and Kameko and he clearly doesn’t hold the same dominance he did at 2. That said I think we’ll see Wichita again in a better light when he’s not asked to make his own running and on quicker ground. It looks a good division and that’s before we factor in Siskin, any decisions about Pinatubo trip wise might be more down to finding opportunities for him to win Group 1’s than what is necessarily his best trip and after what Lord North did this week and it being the trip I suspect Kameko will end up best over 10F looks like a no go so he may end up over 6/7F before too long as that is undoubtedly a weaker group of horses.

    #1491589
    FinalFurlong91
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    They seemed to go very slow at the start in the st james palace

    Was very muddling, so you can mark up palace pier even more for being held up in a slow run race

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    I think Weaver was spot on about the ride on Pinatubo, makes a change for a pundit to be critical of a jockey. He travelled like the best horse and the race came soon enough after a tough one in the Guineas. The only place I would be looking to run him in next would be the Sussex.
    I’m sure they’ll get the tactics right next time.
    Paul Kealy is madasahatter.

    #1491790
    FinalFurlong91
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    Cant see how it’s the jockeys fault

    The horse travelled well but found nothing, he didnt show that kick to put the race to bed he had as a 2yo here or in the guineas

    Best horse won for me and it was a tad cosy too even in a slowly run race that wouldve suited pinatubo

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