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Vastly overrated O’Brien had him sussed
He wasn’t at his best that season, maybe trying too hard on probably Ao’B’s worst crop of horses in my memory.
I think I’m right in saying, though, that had Jamie allow Coolmore to use local jockeys in the USA then he could have retained the job had he wanted to.
Aidan was very supportive of Jamie and still uses his services when circumstances allow.To summarise it all;
A O’Brien
Godolphin
M Bell
J Fanshawe
L Cumani
M Stoute
H Cecil
G Butler
E Dunlop
J Dunlop
D Nicholls
M Johnstonand many more trainers who’ve used his talents over the years don’t know a class jockey when they see one.
The "knockers" on this and other forums are the one’s with the real knowledge, aren’t they?The guy has made mistakes and cocked a few up (who hasn’t?) but has raised his game still further in the last couple of years and, as has been mentioned, another big stable jockey job will be his in time if he wants it. He may be happier freelancing as long as he’s getting on plenty of good horses.
Tuffers
If Spencer "knew" something wasn’t quite right then why didn’t he have a word with the starter and withdraw ? Surely by putting her out the back he wasn’t letting the horse run on its merits as I imagine having won from the front before you expected the horse to do similar ? I understand from your point of view the right thing was done but it seems to me you are saying Spencer knew something was wrong and ran regardless of this fact seemingly knowing he wouldn’t figure.
The ‘something’ that wasn’t right was that she was in a foul mood and was playing up badly in the stalls. To the best of my knowledge withdrawing a filly because she’s suffering from PMT isn’t covered by the rules of racing.
The fact is that as she showed later in the year, she didn’t have to front run to win. At Warwick Jamie set a slow pace and took advantage by quickening from the front. The differing rides are an example of how his superior judgment enabled him to do the best thing for the horse on both occasions.
[quote="Tuffers To the best of my knowledge withdrawing a filly because she’s suffering from PMT isn’t covered by the rules of racing.
Thats a shame. I think we should put this forward as an idea to the authorities. We could then start with Lesley Graham
I hope Jamie reads this thread as I’m looking for him to ride one of our fillies at Doncaster on Sunday.
my logical conclusion is the poster did his brains on the race to which he refers. .
Well your logical conclusion was wrong I had nothing on the race it was just a crap ride and totally against what Fanshawe said in his pre race interview. I presume Tuffers must be his DadInteresting stuff tuffers…. always good to hear info from the coal face
My gripe with him (and im not much of a jockey basher at all…) is that he rather too often rides the same way and applies the waiting tactics when its simply not appropiate
i do have a weakness for jockeys that are adept at dictating pace. Cauthen was my fav jockey full stop
Regardless of that , I suppose if i was an owner it would be Ryan for me
If I was ever to own a racehorse and either or any of Kieren Fallon, Ryan Moore, Frankie, Kirsty M., John Murtagh or Paul Hanagan were not available, the horse would be staying in his box (self certified lame
)The reality is that it’s difficult enough getting your horse fit and well and entered in a suitable race without being too choosy about the jockey.
Last year we used 16 different jockeys. Five of them won for us. Most jockeys can do a reasonable job if they have enough horse under them but that doesn’t stop me from wanting the best available.
I can imagine it must be Tuffers and your input makes for interesting reading. It must be difficult to get the jockey you’d most ideally want on any given day. The jockeys I’ve listed above have their bad rides/days but they all have to differing degree’s good hands, strength and a tactical brain which for me gives them a level of consistency that I admire. I would concede that most jockeys are perfectly capable and the jockey factor can be overplayed by many when pricing up a race. Just my opinion of course.
Continued success with your horses!
If I was ever to own a racehorse and either or any of Kieren Fallon, Ryan Moore, Frankie, Kirsty M., John Murtagh or Paul Hanagan were not available, the horse would be staying in his box (self certified lame
)The reality is that it’s difficult enough getting your horse fit and well and entered in a suitable race without being too choosy about the jockey.
Last year we used 16 different jockeys. Five of them won for us. Most jockeys can do a reasonable job if they have enough horse under them but that doesn’t stop me from wanting the best available.
I can imagine it must be Tuffers and your input makes for interesting reading. It must be difficult to get the jockey you’d most ideally want on any given day. The jockeys I’ve listed above have their bad rides/days but they all have to differing degree’s good hands, strength and a tactical brain which for me gives them a level of consistency that I admire. I would concede that most jockeys are perfectly capable and the jockey factor can be overplayed by many when pricing up a race. Just my opinion of course.
Continued success with your horses!
Thanks, CR. Tadhg O’Shea has the ride for us on Sunday. He’s only ridden once for us before but rode well and finished second so no complaints with the booking.
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