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Probably so Prufrock, though you’ve had 2 more races to assess his merits on before contributing to this thread than them.
I’m still not sure he is much better than 160. A load of non-stayers, has-beens and never-weres in opposition today.
Great horse to own though – and he should win the Order Of Merit now…
I’m agreeing with TDK on this one. I would still be reluctant to put Snoopy Loopy above 160, though I’m quite happy to admit that he’s one of the toughest buggers in training.
Apologies would seem to be in order for bringing this up to the top. I thought it might be worth revisiting the arguments made. For what it is worth, I was in the "he’s probably no better than he was previously camp" until today, but that point had been made many times already before I came across this thread and I did not see any point in repeating it.
I now think I was wrong and tend to feel it is best if you explore why that was the case. Which I will proceed to do.
SL had the run of the race from the front which can exaggerate literal lengths/pounds interpretation of the collateral form, and given the overall profile of the field I don’t think Monet’s Garden had to return to his best to win; he probably ran to ~160, backed up IMO by the proximity of Mister McGoldrick (near-12yo never shown best on RH track). Therefore I would be prepared to credit SL with ~164 at most.
Toughness, tenacity and honesty count for much in a horse and SL has those attributes in spades, so rather than go overboard ratings-wise about his performances this season I prefer to single him out as a horse who will ‘run his race’ and expose any attitude problems in the opposition
I don’t know (and haven’t had a proper look at the form book) what the ratings will say about Snoopy Loopy, but if I was a rater I would see todays race as more of a indicator of how good Monet’s Garden is on his day (if you know what I mean) as a pose to Snoopy Loopy.
"…….as opposed to…." marble, "as opposed to……."
I still think SL is about 170ish, after yet another run in pretty quick succession and dropping back down 6f from a hard race less than two weeks ago he has made a few mistakes which have probably cost him a win here, no doubts he is a solid grade 1 horse IMO, but think he is better over 3 miles. He’s way clear in the order of merit as it stands, and on what he has shown so far (and masterminded, denman and kautos intended light campaigning) he could well win it if he holds the sort of form he’s in at the minute.
I don’t know (and haven’t had a proper look at the form book) what the ratings will say about Snoopy Loopy, but if I was a rater I would see todays race as more of a indicator of how good Monet’s Garden is on his day (if you know what I mean) as a pose to Snoopy Loopy.
"…….as opposed to…." marble, "as opposed to……."
Now, now, Grasshopper. I hope you either have a huge amount of time on your hands to pull up others who are every bit as guilty in such matters or can rebuff the inevitable accusations of victimisation.
You have misread my post. I was not referring to a past event, which I had clean forgotten about. It is just that I am not sure I see the point in Grasshopper picking you – or anyone else for that matter – up on bad English when it is endemic on here these days. Good luck to him, though.
I think it was gc who pointed out this horse earlier in the year; I wrote his name on a piece of paper which has been stuck above the computer for months..have I backed him? not at all; kicking myself now…..
No problems. People regularly seem to read things into what have written that were not intended, which is at least much my fault as theirs…
I still think SL is about 170ish, after yet another run in pretty quick succession and dropping back down 6f from a hard race less than two weeks ago he has made a few mistakes which have probably cost him a win here, no doubts he is a solid grade 1 horse IMO, but think he is better over 3 miles. He’s way clear in the order of merit as it stands, and on what he has shown so far (and masterminded, denman and kautos intended light campaigning) he could well win it if he holds the sort of form he’s in at the minute.
Snoopy Loopy must be a bit unfortunate to be around in this seemingly golden era of chasers. That RPR of 170 would have seen him in the frame in most of the pre-Denman Gold Cups. If that 170 is remotely accurately, how is he 40/1 for the Gold Cup with doubts over two of the market leaders?
I think its reasonable to assume the 174 rated Exotic Dancer ran to within 9lbs of that rating in the Betfair Chase. Thus Snoopy Loopys rating of 168 from that race is entirely justified. Todays performance is further proof the handicapper has it just about right imo.
…not to mention the inevitable accusations of pedantry, whichever course you take.
How to respond, Pru?
The truthful answer is "I don’t really know".
Marble and I have had our jousts on this (and other) forums, but I have only ever pulled him up on a lack of logic (as I perceive it), and never on anything to do with grammar.
Indeed, the phrase at hand is not a grammatical, nor indeed a spelling, error. It doesn’t even have a definition that I’m aware of.
The best that can be said of it is that it is an audial discombobulation; where the hearing of the phrase "as opposed to" via the listening-hole, is mentally remediated to "as a posed to" in the written or spoken word. It is not disimilar in nature to the phrase "should have" and the re-interpretation "should of", which is even more prevalent on these, and other, pages.
My ‘cool’ smilie was intentional, and no offence was intended – though I concede I could of made that more clear.
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