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Yes your are entitled to your view, and it is just as valid as mine, but for you to be telling the trainer what to do and saying it demeans the Derby is way over-the-top surely?
FSL shows a poker like agressive tone.
You’re right in what you say of course.
I don’t like AW but that’s just my opinion (not much interested in flat racing at all nowadays) but think it’s purely because I never got into it in the early days and as a result never followed it and again the result was I constantly lost whenever I ventured into it.
Full circle to not investing because ‘I’ll probably lose’ so no point following it…
IMO it’s just another form of racing ala NH vs Flat but it is here to stay and will only grow.
Whether I or anybody else agrees with it is completely immaterial.
Back to the original thread now I reckon.
I’m a bit of a turf purist myself and I’d go along with much of what Flash has to say. If I had my way the all weather would be reserved for low grade racers, to ensure that we didn’t have race-free days during the winter and no more. The very gradual increase in the quality of horses racing over the surface(s) is perplexing and the news that a Derby winner will contest the ‘toy’ Derby is symbolic of my worst fears.
Why?
Well, I happen to think that the thing which sets UK racing apart is the diversity we have. To substitute this with horses running on the same track, with races that play out the same way, time after time, day after day, would be to rip the very heart out of the sport.
Aesthetically there is no comparison between turf and a/w racing.
Very good point leader.
Infuriating as it can be when you get it wrong, can you imagine if the only variables in a race were the draw, weight etc.
Sft or GD, undulating or flat, run-in of Chester or Doncaster ?
Without any of these I’d never have another excuse for losing my hard earned :biggrin:
and what a boring world it would be
I can agree with corm to an extent but why connections should be slagged off for this is beyond me. if they feel its the best opening for the horse (and hes not exactly a mug trainer) whats the problem? Its there…take advantage of it
would those knocking this be against him having an Aw gallop too?
Why risk the whole American breeding market for a race that’s worth only £56K. If he doesn’t win this his stud fee could take a nosedive. and he’s no banker to win this his first time on dirt. Should run him in the Lincoln instead.
Clivex, these so called "traditionalists" are probably against AW gallops too :biggrin:
The very same ones NH trainers use to get their horses fit :o
(Edited by Jim JTS at 9:18 pm on Feb. 23, 2007)
Quote: from davidbrady on 9:16 pm on Feb. 23, 2007[br]Why risk the whole American breeding market for a race that’s worth only £56K. If he doesn’t win this his stud fee could take a nosedive. and he’s no banker to win this his first time on dirt. Should run him in the Lincoln instead.<br>
Agree with the possible tongue in cheek comment re: the Lincoln but how many times have we slagged off connections for taking safe options to secure stud fees ?
Lammtara anyone ?
Colmore may or may not have attempted to gain more versatility in their horses profiles but they and connections of Sir Percy should be applauded for taking the risks – without it it would be pretty predictable.
Derby winner aimed at KG then ARC = retire.
Quote: from Jim JTS on 9:17 pm on Feb. 23, 2007[br]Clivex, these so called "traditionalists" are probably against AW gallops too :biggrin:
The very same ones NH trainers use to get their horses fit :o
(Edited by Jim JTS at 9:18 pm on Feb. 23, 2007)<br>
No not at all I applaud all weather gallops.
Cormack has put across pretty much everything I’d want to say.
A little bit of tongue’n cheek from me Flash but no doubt you get my point, we can’t have it both ways.
<br>In the dark days of no racing atall in the winter months because of severe weather (which was a pain to most of us) we should applaud such things as the polytrack surface and the gallops even help get horses fit for the turf season.
Jim, no problem.
I can tolerate all weather through the winter months keep the sport going not too much of a problem with that. I just wish thats how it would stay.
I have no problem with AW racing as such but I don’t want racing for racing’s sake. The lowest NH race was cl5 – a Hunters Chase and a Bumper but the card at WOL today had 2 claimers, 1 seller, 1 maiden and 3 handicaps, none of them above cl5. I fail to believe that anyone other than addicted gamblers have any interest in horse racing of that standard. I’d rather see no racing on days than the rubbish that’s often run on the sand.
The horse is going to race at Lingfield then wait for Royal Ascot….that makes sense how?
I hardly think they are taking a "risk" with the horse by dropping him to Group 3 level on the polytrack..if this was a prep for the Tattersalls race or Coronation Cup I would understand…isnt there a Group 1 in France over 10f as well at the same time?
All this fuss about a surface… :biggrin: ÂÂÂ
David, I am very interested in horse racing of most kinds, as for the gambling side of it? that’s neither here nor there with me as first and foremost I like to see horses racing for what they are – beautiful animals.
Therefore I’m an exception to your addicted gamblers theory.
Flash I would just like to point out that I don’t want to see all-weather racing in the summer months when the flat season is in progress. There are jumps races all year round, but flat turf races run from April-November, if you have a horse that doesn’t like long breaks then the A/W offers a suitable opportunity, I just don’t see why Tregonong should be slagged off for entering his horse for one of these as a second choice. It probably won’t even run!
all weather racing in england is for the bookmakers pure and simple the thought of a derby winner even being entered at lingfield is a joke its not exactly nad al sheba or a big american track now is it.<br>and while we are on the subject just look at the attendances at kempton park.
Us Flat boys wait patiently throughout the winter, chaps. We even join in the banter now and again while we wait for the Lincoln.
While we’re getting it all out in the open, I personally find jump racing either:
a) Ludicrously simple to predict (e.g. Novice Hurdles, O’nichollspipehobbsderson trained horses); so as to remove the challenge from the selection process.
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b) Impossible to predict (e.g. any racing at Towcester, Ludlow, Plumpton etc), so as to leave one skint and in need of regular consultations with Ocean Finance.
And generally a bit slow. Why aren’t there any 5f races over hurdles? Or a 6f steeplechase? At least then you know the fate of your pound each way in time to bet on something else.
But in the end, it’s all bobbo racing, the great triviality. Sandmen and Twighoppers Unite!! I do declare.<br>
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