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Just watched the replay, that was diabolical. If a jockey gets a month for dropping his hands, that was just as bad.
Firstly, I don’t particularly agree that Lennon and the McCoy ridden thing went off at too frantic a pace.
Secondly, I would suggest that if the connections of the second had been a meat and potatoes, 15-20 winners a year, no high profile owners set up, the action taken would be far in excess of that meted out yesterday.
For Henry Daly to say he saw nothing wrong with the ride is simply preposterous and shows a swaggering arrogance that defies belief. The horse was purposely never given a chance to get anywhere near the winner, of that there is no doubt whatsoever. If as Daly says the horse is a baby and needs a trip, what the hell was it doing running around Aintree over two miles. Also this was a well backed 2nd favourite receiving nearly a stone and a half from the eventual winner – we are not discussing a 100/1 shot that had fallen on it’s previous three runs and could legitimately be being ridden with a clear round as the first objective.
Henry Daly, aided by the jockey carrying out instructions, has had everyones pants down and has been completely exonerated by the stewards decision.
A black day for the sport in my opinion. but at least any trainer who is had in under the "non-triers" rule can now produce this farce as evidence.
Interesting to see whether Daly has the balls to follow through with the intended campaign – you know the one. Another two runs over two miles in novice chases finishing a close up third or fourth "running on". A break until February when under a handicap mark probably two stone less than it’s true ability, it would win a low grade handicap at somewhere like Leicester. Low and behold it’s next appearance would be in one of the handicaps at Cheltenham running off 10-3 or 10-4. After the right honourables and Lords and Ladies have had on at best price when the handicaps come out, it will be well backed on the day down to 13/2 3rd favourite. It wins comfortably and Henry Daly acts all coquettish when forced to be interviewed by a fawning Alastair Down lauding a marvelous piece of training!
We are watching you Daly!!
(Edited by bear at 3:58 pm on Nov. 20, 2006)
Quote: from Nor1 on 9:44 am on Nov. 20, 2006[br]empty wallet<br>I do not understand your comparison with shops and homeowners because if the above left their goods on display, with little security, that would encourage the dishonest.<br>The handicap system is flawed by design and application<br>
<br>Nor
My comparison was meant as all are breaking the rules and it’s not the fault of either the handicap system, the shop owner or homeowner
<br> i do agree that the way the handicap system is applied needs an overhaul and we have discussed this on other threads were maybe this should happen
ie: the poundage scale taking into account the track, ground and racetime
And using "yardsticks" to rate horses/races around is flawed and not worth a carrot imhaho
Bear, you saw it, the handicapper saw it, every journalist worth his salt will have watched it, at least in review.
Therefore, as bad as it may seem, what benefit has Henry Daly got from it? Surely everybody will be watching out for this horse when he gets a longer trip – I can’t believe your idea that he’ll start at a decent price again this term.
Quote: from Adrian on 5:06 pm on Nov. 20, 2006[br]Bear, you saw it, the handicapper saw it, every journalist worth his salt will have watched it, at least in review.
Therefore, as bad as it may seem, what benefit has  Henry Daly got from it?  Surely everybody will be watching out for this horse when he gets a longer trip – I can’t believe your idea that he’ll start at a decent price again this term.
Even Mug Punters?
Adrian,
What I was driving at is Daly will have have had this horse earmarked for a Festival Handicap and it’s initial runs will be to hide it’s true ability from the handicapper. Because of the way the race was run on Sunday and the antics of Bradbourne, all eyes will be on it from now on.
Good stuff from Lydia in the Times:
<br>"Opera De Coeur was schooled in public at the expense of punters at Aintree last Sunday. The fact that Henry Daly, his trainer, was not found guilty of that offence nor the horse banned as a punishment is an oversight of its own rules by the Horseracing Regulatory Authority.
Mark Bradburne, the jockey, did not escape entirely, but his seven-day suspension for “failing to take all reasonable and permissible measures to obtain the best possible placingâ€ÂÂ
Quite so, Daly can consider himself an extremely lucky man not to have received a hefty punishment for this.
If he can’t get a horse fit enough, and sufficiently well-schooled, that a jockey can’t ride a hands and heels finish on it, then his trainer’s licence should be taken away and given to someone more competent.
I have to confess to having not seen the race in question, but where should the blame ultimately lie in cases like this?
A friend of a friend used to have a horse with trainer x, who told connections that the horse was being prepared to win at a big price. The plan was to run once, get beaten, run again and get beaten and then hack up at something like 33s.
The horse went out once and was fairly mullered. In preparation for it’s second run trainer x told jockey y that the horse was fit but shouldn’t be allowed to win at any cost with the money going down next time. Jockey y saw the horse priced up at 20s+, lumped on each-way and left the course a very rich man.
He never rode for trainer x again.
Now the jockey was damned if he did and damned if he didn’t (the upside being the £10k he made backing the horse) but had he ‘obeyed’ the trainer, who would/should have been made culpable?
Presumably, if the trainer has declared that he is satisfied with the ride given (and I think this is all the HRA ever look for, satisfaction from connections) then he/she is perfectly aware of the ‘plan’ and is responsible. But what responsibility does the jockey have – should he/she do as they’re told, or ride the horse as the rules of the game say they should?
Just out of interest, have the press (or HRA for that matter) contacted the owners and asked what their take on the race was?
The trainer is culpable along with the owner if in "the know". Jockeys are not protected from this tawdry bunch of cheats. Most do as they are told because they want rides and some do it because they are paid extra.<br>I can remember one young jockey saying all he wanted was to be allowed to win (if possible) on every horse he rode. His rides diminished dramatically.
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