February 20, 2007 at 08:46 #886guskennedyMember
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Does anyone know the conditions of the Ryanair Chase? What are the penalty clauses? Thanks in anticipation.February 20, 2007 at 09:09 #39402
<br>Weights – 11st, 5-y-olds 10st 8lbs, mares get 7lbs
Penalties – Grade 2 winner 3lbs, Grade 1 winner 7lbs.
No time limits on those penalties and no concessions for novices either.
<br>February 20, 2007 at 09:17 #39403guskennedyMember
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Thanks, Alan.February 20, 2007 at 09:33 #39404seabirdParticipant
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Just spent 20 minutes looking for them and Pottsy beats be to it!!!!!!!!!
ColinFebruary 20, 2007 at 17:46 #39405runandskipMember
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why isnt this race a grade one?February 20, 2007 at 18:14 #39406DannyMember
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It is a grade 1 isn’t it? I fancy Monkerhostin at 20-1 only it has multiple enteries at cheltenham as do alot of horses in the race Kauto Star has a entry if he runs surely he only has to get roundFebruary 20, 2007 at 18:26 #39407
<br>It’s Grade 2 – Grade 1 races don’t have penalties in their conditions.
It isn’t Grade 1 presumably because we already have Grade 1 races over two and half miles at Ascot in February and Aintree in April.
APFebruary 20, 2007 at 18:30 #39408roryParticipant
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THE RYANAIR CHASE
Class 1, Grade 2, Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£175,000 Total Prize Fund. 2.35pm, Thursday, March 15, 2007. For five year olds and upwards, two miles & five furlongs. Weights: 5yo 10st 8lb; 6yo+ 11st. Allowances: mares 7lb. Penalties: after September 30, 2005, a winner of a Grade 2 chase 3lb; of a Grade 1 Chase 5lb. Entries closed February 7, entries revealed February 12 (46 entries). Forfeit stage February 20, six-day confirmation stage March 9,February 20, 2007 at 18:34 #39409davidjohnsonMember
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Perhaps it is time to downgrade the Scilly Isles and Ascot Chases to Grade 2, upgrade the Ryanair to Group 1 and give novices an arbitrary allowance, say 3 or 5lb to encourage their participation.February 20, 2007 at 18:37 #39410
Is that from the Program Book?
Because I looked at the Weatherbys website equivalent when I provided the info this morning and the ‘after September 30,2005’ clause isn’t shown on there.
That surprised me, which was why I mentioned the lack of any time limits.
There also seems to be a difference on the Grade 1 penalty – is it 5lbs or 7lbs?
APFebruary 20, 2007 at 19:04 #39411
<br>Apologies all round – the info supplied by Rory is spot on.
I’ve no idea how I got it so wrong this morning, but checking the Weatherbys website again this evening, I clearly did.
APFebruary 20, 2007 at 19:12 #39412SirHarryLewisParticipant
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Quote: from davidjohnson on 6:34 pm on Feb. 20, 2007[br]Perhaps it is time to downgrade the Scilly Isles and Ascot Chases to Grade 2, upgrade the Ryanair to Group 1 and give novices an arbitrary allowance, say 3 or 5lb to encourage their participation. <br>
I think they would be afraid of what it would do to the Gold cup. Lots of speedy 3 milers would find it easier not to chance the gold cup and the its reputation could suffer over time.
SHLFebruary 20, 2007 at 19:22 #39413davidjohnsonMember
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I disagree, although in theory if both races were Grade 1 they would be of equal merit, but prize money and prestige would reflect differently.
Every owner and breeder would still aim to have a Gold Cup winner rather than a Ryanair winner.February 20, 2007 at 20:43 #39414DroneParticipant
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I rather think that making the Ryanair a Grade 2 was a diplomatic move designed to keep Aintree happy who no doubt covet the Melling Chase it’s position of premier late season event at the trip.
Being somewhat anal when it comes to tidiness I would like to see it upgraded simply because it would then form an orderly set of Grade 1 chases at the Festival.February 20, 2007 at 21:12 #39415davidbradyMember
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If it was made a Gr1 then the Stayers would be again relegated to the #2 race on the card after only 2 years in the limelight on its own. I can’t see it happening for a couple of years yet.
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