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- April 10, 2011 at 18:51 #349692
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re. Moore and
Recital
. It was a curious ride. Only time I saw a horse come from so far back to win at Leopardstown was when Murtagh got
Soviet Song
up to beat
Attraction
in the 2004 Matron Stakes. And in Murtagh’s own words:
"I was too far out of my ground. The mare got me out of jail that day."
And
Recital
is no
Soviet Song
. We didn’t see the Derby winner in today’s
Ballysax
.
April 10, 2011 at 19:25 #349700Interesting piece on James Willoughnby’s blog re- today’s ride on Recital and Ballydoyle tactics in general.
http://thefiguresneverlie.blogspot.com/2011/04/deeper-truth-of-confused-recital.html
April 10, 2011 at 21:44 #349717
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Thanks for that, Corm. Intriguing to find Willoughby articulating many of the good points already made in posts on this (and the other Ballydoyle) thread. His thesis seems to me a very strong one.
April 10, 2011 at 22:20 #349721I wonder whether Ballydoyle riding tactics (in big races at any rate) would be down to O’Brien alone. You’d expect, with so much at stake, that Coolmore might have a say?
April 10, 2011 at 23:33 #349726
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Could someone please tell me where all the fuss is coming from? Ryan Moore was capable of landing last years Derby of such tactics, he didn’t have the horse under him today who never let himself down on the ground and possibly won’t stay a Derby trip.
Awful head carridge, you see a promising burst through Adilapour, Mawakeef and then comes upside Rich Tapestry but fails to assert past him. You ask yourself, if Recital could have sustained that burst throug horses around the bend to around half a furlong from home he’d be 2l up, he didn’t and couldn’t sustain it for what ever reasons, ground? but a horse possibly to stay on the side of caution.
April 11, 2011 at 01:31 #349730
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Interesting piece on James Willoughnby’s blog re- today’s ride on Recital and Ballydoyle tactics in general.
http://thefiguresneverlie.blogspot.com/2011/04/deeper-truth-of-confused-recital.html
While James Willoughby may have a point about Ballydoyle’s pace tactics generally, his belief that every question can be answered by the stopwatch is naive, if not altogether misleading.
Soldier Of Fortune lacked a change of gear and needed every inch of a strongly run 12f, or softened ground, to have any chance at the very top level, and the sharp Santa Anita circuit on firm ground was never going to play to his strengths. The stable did everything they could to alleviate his ahortcomings by setting a strong pace, and the horse wouldn’t have finished any nearer in the circumstances (ran within 8lb of his best ever RPR – achieved on soft ground at the Curragh) no matter how ridden.
Septimus returned injured in the Melbourne Cup, and Ballydoyle certainly screwed up the pace, but that was its stop/go nature rather than any "supramaximal effort", as both viewing of the race, and sectionals, showed afterwards.
Today’s Ballysax was never high on Recital’s agenda (witness the one tap he got with the whip in the closing stages) and, as a horse who will almost certainly need a stiffer test to show his best anyway, education was far more important than bottoming the horse to win a lowly gp3, so why not employ one of racing’s better jockeys as tutor? Ryan Moore probably did everything asked today but, like Coolmore, he probably understands there is much more to a horse’s career than the setting of fractions.April 11, 2011 at 14:44 #349787I fear I will never understand the rule about not using the race as an opportunity to train a horse.Does it only apply to permit holders who don’t have the facilities that Coolmore has?In other words if you don’t need the use of the race to gallop you can use it for gallops but if you do need it you can’t?
October 8, 2011 at 14:19 #19807Coolmore: Cut Ryan Moore
Costing you a fortune, his mind boggling horrible ride on So You Think and a more inept again to solidify champion 2yr old status on Power he murders the horse.
Can’t afford many more of them mistakes, BIG NO NO!!!!!!!. We know Tabor likes Moore but Magnier will not be impressed with this at all!
October 8, 2011 at 14:33 #373456What did Moore do wrong Ruby?
Value Is EverythingOctober 8, 2011 at 14:37 #373458Missed the Break
Got caught on the rails
Waited to long if he was planning to move around horses’s
if your going to ride like that you have to wait for the gap and he didn’tBest Horse lost…Coolmore seething. Dire ride
October 8, 2011 at 14:40 #373459Poison Chalice.Keep away from Ballydoyle.
October 8, 2011 at 14:55 #373466Should have gave it to Joseph O Brien
October 8, 2011 at 15:13 #373473He still doesn’t look race fit, seemed very untidy trying to galvanize Power and by then the winner had flown.
October 8, 2011 at 15:23 #373474edit
October 8, 2011 at 15:23 #373475Could it be something to do with the horse?
Value Is EverythingOctober 8, 2011 at 15:47 #373485
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Beautiful ride on
Wading
in the
Rockfel
for the Coolmore team. What a difference an hour makes!
I expressed beforehand that, given the nonsense of having the
Fillies Mile
and
Cheveley Park
on the same day and same card, the
Rockfel
would take on a new significance. I suspect it’s headed for Group 1 status, with the
Fillies Mile
and
Middle Park
demoted to Group 2 as a result of the messed-up pattern schedule.
Wading
‘s time was faster than the
Dewhurst
winner’s, despite what looked a far from breakneck pace, and an easy win. This was much the best 2yo race of the day, and Moore rode the filly nicely. Get on for the
Oaks
!
October 8, 2011 at 16:06 #373489Backed Wading for both Guineas and Oaks.
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