August 25, 2007 at 18:49 #4930MikkyMo73Member
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Seriously, I am running out of superlatives for this guy.
I’ve just backed Winged Cupid and Cougar Bay in the 6.45 at Windsor – they looked to fight out the finish until Ryan Moore appeared on the scene (yet again) to score aboard Queen’s Best.
It seems every day I watch racing, Ryan seems to ride at least one winner by simply being the best jockey in the race and not necessarily on the best horse. Yes I know he has a lot of ammunition and often has a strong book of rides, but this jockey just keeps on improving and keeps on impressing me every time I see him.
He is what you call a ‘John Smiths’ jockey – no nonesense. If he rides a horse that needs to be close to the pace then he will ride close to the pace, if he rides a hold up horse then he will hold the horse up – he just gets on with it and more times than not he gets it spot on. He is fast becoming a firm favourite of mine and I shall start looking at his rides far more seriously than I used to in the future becuase you can just never count this guy out it appears.
I just can’t praise him highly enough at this moment in time.
MikeAugust 25, 2007 at 19:06 #112504steveh31Participant
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Did anyone here the commentator say when Ryan Moore won one of the last races of the day that he could buy himself a smile for Christmas. Hey the guy may not be a laugh a minute but he knows how to ride a horse and thats what counts.August 25, 2007 at 22:13 #112516CavParticipant
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Being solely a layer and a layer who doesnt take jockeys or trainers into account its been my misfortune to have layed by coincidence a few of his winners lately. The guy is amazing. Almost every ride is a value for money ride. Whether its hold up, midfield or a front runner most of his mounts are ridden to maximum effect. His partnership with Stoute is lethal. A trainer who’s the best judge of a jockey around and his faith in Moore speaks volumes.
Ryan will never recieve the plaudits of some of his peers because of his quiet demeanour and his aparant disinterest in PR but in my opinion we’re witnessing a very special talent who will certainly go on to reach ledgendary status in the game.August 25, 2007 at 22:25 #112517MikkyMo73Member
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Totally agree with Steve and CR here.
Moore is by all accounts a very shy guy and becuase of this, his relationship with the media is not as good as it could be – but like has been said, who cares?
Apparantly Moore communicates very well with his owners and trainers that he rides for and I guess thats all that matter really. If he can listen to pre race instructions and then pass on his advice after a race, then who cares if he doesn’t communicate with the media as much as THEY (the media) would like.
I was always in awe of Steve Cauthen, and then Kieran Fallon, but I seriously think that Ryan Moore has every chance of being talked about in the same breath as these two great jockey – and if I remember correctly both Cauthen and Fallon didn’t have the best of relationships with the media either.
MikeAugust 25, 2007 at 22:55 #112521CianMember
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I have followed the guy for years. I just happened to notice a few years ago that he would pull amazing results out of the bag.
I remember in a bookies in 2005 when he was quoted for top jockey at 16-1 and the guy behind the counter said he wouldnt back him at 1600-1. I just thought to myself how could someone spend such a significant portion of their life watching races without actually appreciating them.
He has everything needed for a jockey – pace-judgement, strength, drive.
He was quite shy in interviews until recently, but he seems to have had a bit of Max Clifford put onto him. Seems a real genuine guy.August 26, 2007 at 00:31 #112529Mr FriskParticipant
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I was always in awe of Steve Cauthen, and then Kieran Fallon, but I seriously think that Ryan Moore has every chance of being talked about in the same breath as these two great jockey – and if I remember correctly both Cauthen and Fallon didn’t have the best of relationships with the media either
Cauthen could be a bit moody because of his weight problems but overall he was an impeccable ambassador for the riding profession: smart, articulate and generally happy to provide a worthwhile quote. For that matter, Fallon is also a very good talker when he wants to be, and had been trying a good deal harder prior to his ban.
Moore, for all his many qualities as a rider, just seems to find it impossible to offer more than the most banal of observations after winning a race. The Rules of Racing do not insist on good post-race PR, of course, but it just seems a pity as he is from a family of smart, forthright and very entertaining characters, his much-missed grandfather Charlie not the least among them.August 26, 2007 at 09:19 #112537SeagullMember
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If Ryan Moore can be bothered to take a detailed walk round a course and convey to the likes of Sir Michael Stoute where he thinks what part of the course they should race down why should he go on some television interview and give away his thoughts to his opponents that have spent their time signing autographs as a certain Italian jockey did on Coral Eclipse day?
Ryan had already walked the Sandown track alone taking several lines from the bottom bend before informing Mr Stoute that he thought the track at Sandown alongside the bushes was the best place to be aiming for.
His thoughts to Nick Luck before the Eclipse were the roots of the bushes must be sucking in the recent rain water as it was easily the best ground!
However when booting home Ordanance Row in the preceding race he went with the flow and won (@11/1) on the inside rail.
It was obvious he was keeping his thoughts to himself and whilst Notnowcato maybe was not the best horse in the Coral Eclipse that bold move of his won on the day.
If you look at recent Goodwood Festival rides for example Ryan seemed to find the same strip of ground race after race and it took several races before others decided to all follow him.
As Mr Frisk has already stated Ryan comes from from ‘The Charlie Moore’ clan and if he does come over as reticent that’s better than the ‘me me me’
interviews other jockeys may give.
His father Gary never gives much away (and why should he?) about the chances of his runners although he does train for several owners that run tipping services!
Last year there were some decent prices on offer for Ryan to be crowned champion jockey and while that bet looks doomed this year I think Ryan is odds on to re claim his title next year but if anyone can get a price on him being appointed stable jockey for Sir Michael Stoute next year I would go with that one.
With Richard Hannon he is never ever likely to replace Richard Hughes as stable jockey as there are close family ties.
Whilst champion elect Jamie Spencer gets slated on the betfair forum day after day his current strike rate is actually the same as Ryan has which is currently 20%.
Ryan’s younger brother is already talking himself as being the best though!
Charlie Moore used to spend half his life training moderate to poor horses and to also selling moderate to poor cars from a used car lot in Brighton.
Someone I know went to look at one at Charlie asked him how many people he had in his family when he was told ‘Only my wife’ Charlie showed him one with bale string holding the back doors in he was told ‘you dont need to use the back doors with just the two of you’.August 28, 2007 at 09:02 #112685Lydia HislopMember
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Isn’t the raison d’etre of that cursed tribe, the media, in being the medium between a subject and those who are interested in it? That’s why I always find it a bit odd when fans, in this case those who have contributed to this debate, register pleasure when a subject, in this case Ryan Moore (although this is now historical), is uncooperative with the media. Isn’t it the fans who are missing out if, say, a sporting star doesn’t offer the benefit of his/her insight?
I understand that certain sections of the media in general have and do behave in such a way that diminishes respect for the profession, but if the job is done properly (as I understand it) it’s just the conveying of information. Without that, isn’t our comprehension and therefore enjoyment of a subject the poorer?
Also, just because someone might be a member of the media, doesn’t mean anyone, even a sportsman, shouldn’t accord them the basic respect human beings owe each other. I have seen and experienced behaviour that is simply rudeness.
As for Moore, he has changed completely in his interaction with the media this year. He’s given lots of stimulating interviews and is now easy to deal with. Surely mutual professional respect is best for all parties, not least the reader/listener/viewer?
On the original subject of this thread, Moore’s riding, I totally agree. He’s champion jockey in all but name and by a clear margin, in my opinion.August 28, 2007 at 09:17 #112688WallaceParticipant
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Lydia, good to see your still around these parts and we haven’t scared you off!
Do you think the racing TV media often go over the top with praise for jockeys when the sport is really about the horses? I think they do.August 28, 2007 at 09:35 #112690Lydia HislopMember
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I would guess that the terrestrial TV media wouldn’t agree with you that the sport is about the horses rather than the people. There may be a feeling that it is easier to sell humans to that wider audience they are intent on capturing than it is to sell horses to them.
I would say the ability of horses, offset against the weight they carry, is the overwhelming factor in deciding the outcome of races. Jockeys have comparatively little imput. Being human, where they do impact (aside from the fact that horses wouldn’t race as we require without someone riding them, obviously), it is likely to be negative in its effect – such as positioning a horse to its disadvantage, mis-timing a manoeuvre, etc. I suppose a great ride, as opposed to an entirely satisfactory one, is when a jockey, through his/her tactical skill, achieves more from a horse than its relative ability should allow.August 28, 2007 at 09:42 #112691madman marzMember
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I am never one to over praise Jockeys but in Ryan Moore’s case he deserves every plaudit he gets. I know if your a big name jockey you will invariably end up on the best horse, which is where some of the media plaudits can be exaggerated. But its in listed and group races where Ryan is usually on a much more level playing field, riding against the so called cream of the crop that he excels.
I could never understand the almost Mecca like praise that Kieran Fallon gets, as I have said before if its brute force you want, well you got it, I find his riding style ungainly, he is often not in total unison with his partner, as you see many times when he is riding a finish his horses often run all over the shop, wouldn’t lace Ryan Moores boots for sheer horsemanship.August 28, 2007 at 09:44 #112692clivexMember
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His father Gary never gives much away (and why should he?)
I like G Moore but it is precisely this attitude which is sours punters relationship with racing. Might all be very well to take the view that its non of the punters business when racing was the only betting meduim but those days are over. I think some in the sport need to wake up to how much contempt there is for racing amongst the casual (not not unimportant) punters
I find it stranger still that followers of racing are apologists for this attitude
No one expects trainers to act like a tipping line, but thankfully we have intelligent successful trainers such as PCH, King and Nichols who "do give much away" (at the risk of being pilloried by self styled hard bitten cynics).
They, rather than the "non of your business" brigade, are the true supprters of racing
As for Moore, he is outstanding. Could be the best since CauthenAugust 28, 2007 at 10:08 #112697DroneParticipant
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In his early riding days Ryan Moore struck me as no more than a pleasant, qiuet, shy lad who – like so many other youngsters – was quite understandably uncomfortable in the company of adults and when asked to perform in front of light, camera, hack.
That the reticence and superficially sullen, unhelpful demeanour has gone/is going is no more than a quite normal manifestation of that sometimes tourtuous journey from boyhood to manhood.August 28, 2007 at 11:20 #112705Irish StampMember
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If the punters want to pay the bills then they should be able to listen to the trainer. As it is they don’t want to and listen to what they are told – and rightly so.
If you owned a horse in the Moore yard and he was telling all and sundry that it was being lined up for a big one at Yarmouth in October you’d be pretty miffed about it and rightly so.August 28, 2007 at 11:52 #112708thedarkknightParticipant
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Isn’t the raison d’etre of that cursed tribe, the media, in being the medium between a subject and those who are interested in it? That’s why I always find it a bit odd when fans, in this case those who have contributed to this debate, register pleasure when a subject, in this case Ryan Moore (although this is now historical), is uncooperative with the media..
It depends on the quality of the questioning imo. If Thommo sticks the mike under a jockey’s nose straight after they have just been beaten in a photo and says "How does it feel fella?", the situation almost demands the jockey to produce a one or two word response.
Similarly, Ryan Moore gave the perfect answer to Richie Persad’s inane question at last year’s Shergar Cup.
"So, have you learnt a lot from the foreign jockeys today Ryan?"
Quite right. After all, they had been staring at his backside for most of the afternoon….
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