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    steveh31
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    steveh31
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    the 2.35 race at Newcastle today is called the”watch sky sports racing HD on Virgin 535″ what HD where is this HD?

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    GoldenMiller34
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    Try to please all and you’ll please none. I was expecting this today from RTV on one of the lower key Saturdays.

    Sandown was clearly the stand-out meeting while Wincanton and Cork were workaday. Fears of a bias towards the studio were unfounded as presenters were at the two British tracks, however, RTV would have done better to have someone at Cork also instead of two studio pundits. Probably the reason it didn’t can be found in the paragraph below.

    So much for Anglo-Irish co-operation on race times, the three meetings were all bunched together instead of being spread evenly across 30 minute segments. Additionally, Cork were not prepared to wait one minute for Sandown to finish.

    The upshot for British fans was the absence of immediate post-race analysis from the principal meeting, a rushed feeling and the lack of any introduction to unfamiliar Irish horses (not to mention the studio host interjecting over the commentary of the climax of Sandown’s £100,000 handicap to announce Cork was off and the substandard calling of Peter O’Hehir).

    For Irish fans the start of two races was missed (including one where a well fancied horse refused to take part), there was only a nod to any pre- and post-race coverage and, as on NYD, the Irish racing would have felt crammed in and second fiddle.

    Therefore, now on both a busy day and on a quiet Saturday RTV’s product has not been satisfactory, especially for Irish fans.

    Essentially, the transfer of Irish racing to RTV is going to prove detrimental all round (but particularly for the Irish) more often and more significantly than it is going to be a positive. As I suggested when news of the acquisition first broke, RTV needs to have two channels on all TV platforms (at no extra cost) on appropriate days which can be split between British and Irish or between Flat and Jumps when necessary, thus giving viewers a choice.

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    runandskip84
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    The fact is that RTV has now got worse since New Years Day,not a good situation when you need subscribers.
    This is a spectacular own goal and the winners are ITV and eventually perhaps SKY.

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    Was Cork being broadcast on terrestrial tv in Ireland if so this is why they probably couldn’t wait in the same way Sandown would not wait for another countries track as itv have a strict schedule.

    Also as itv were showing both Wincanton & Sandown they have a 15/20 min gap between races every week, as I understand it itv dictate the times on the races they show.

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    thewexfordman
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    No Steve, only big festivals and classics are shown on terrestrial tv in Ireland

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    steveh31
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    Next week there are four jumps tracks on Rtv on Saturday so expect it to be even worse next week.

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    GoldenMiller34
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    True, Steve, I will be watching closely. Meanwhile, no doubt Naas will get royal treatment from RTV tomorrow but I’m fuming I can’t watch an excellent card at Plumpton as a complement because SSR doesn’t kick in on NOW TV until Tuesday!

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    rollotommasi
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    This is like when a football team buys a player off one of their rivals, not because they need them, or that they are any better than what they have already, or that they add value to the starting eleven, but because having them, and their rival not, will simply weaken the opposition.

    The idea that Irish racing will have its own specific red button type online channels is also strange, while all courses should have their own individual broadcast, if it is being limited to one or two tracks then why isn’t it the main meeting of the day on it, so say for instance Sandown today ?

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    Wouldn’t all the Irish fixtures race times have already been in place before the new deal was done with RTV?

    If that is the case, would they be allowed to alter the race times going forward so that they are staggered better with RTV’s UK courses?

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    GoldenMiller34
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    All courses have their own stream online, which can be cast to TV, and I think that some Irish racing does add value. The problem is accommodating all of it on actual TV platforms to the satisfaction of viewers both sides of the Irish Sea. Failure to achieve this by RTV may ultimately strengthen a rival who has channels to burn.

    I don’t believe the fixture list had been finalised, let alone race times, when the deal was done and apparently there have been lots of discussions between RTV and HRI subsequently. I suppose the truth is you can’t get a quart into a pint pot without spilling a fair bit of liquid so need two pint pots (TV channels).

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    @goldenmiller UK racecourses have a tendancy to not go off to time especially on a Saturday afternoon how often have we seen horses saunter down to post at Sandown or Newmarket a minute or two past post time?

    Irish tracks are much more organised and ready which is why having a jumps meeting in the UK 5 mins before an irish meeting is ridiculous.

    One good bit of news for Rtv is the Grand National meeting all the other UK tracks on that day are on SSR.

    Irish Oaks meeting on 20 July has Cartmel, Market Rasen, Newbury and Newmarket to fit in as well that will certainly not be a Saturday for those that like some in depth coverage of their racing.

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    GoldenMiller34
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    True about the UK tracks on National day, Steve, but that has always been the case whereas this year RTV has the rights to quite an important early Flat meeting at Leopardstown. Anything in excess of the barest minimum coverage of that on the main channel will be the final straw.

    The four days of Cheltenham is unaffected, there is just the usual drossfest at Huntingdon on the Wednesday. As (for the first time) last year we will have to put up with Taunton and Leicester (Flat) on the Thursday and Friday of Aintree respectively.

    Never mind a second referendum, I am calling for a second RTV channel!

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    jackh1092
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    On the individual streams for each course- yes it helps a little, but when you advertise 5 presenters, why haven’t they provided some form of pre + post race analysis on the Cork stream? Its ridiculous, instead i listened to birds tweeting and people having conversations. Awful change from ATR, where we were able to enjoy interviews with some of the great characters within Irish racing.

    Hope it gets sorted fairly quick.

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    GoldenMiller34
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    Yes, Jack, that is the trouble with the individual streams. Sure, each can be cast but all you get is the basic feed from the course, a couple of static cameras, the course commentator and birds tweeting lol. It’s hardly riveting TV (except sometimes, amid great excitement, the birds switch to Facebook!)

    On NYD there was an additional stream for the two Irish meetings with its own studio host and presenters at each track. How often this will be the case remains to seen, RTV obviously didn’t feel one meeting was worthy of it.

    I will only be using Extra as a fourth choice behind the main channel, ITV and SSR to watch a desired race without risk of a split screen. If Cork was your main interest yesterday there was no satisfactory way of enjoying it.

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