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June 18, 2007 at 20:59 #2041
Coventry<br>Those nice Cashman chappies down in Cork laid me 10-1 Pencil Hill and 12-1 Luck Money a few days ago, so I don’t need another bet: I was keen to take on the O’Brien fav, just because he started him off at Gowran Park over 7f.<br>King’s Stand<br>Any Aussie will do me as I’ve lumped on them to win either sprint. Have also backed Benbaun, but nervous of the ground softening any more. Would be against Tax Free and Dandy Man.<br>James’ Palace<br>Don’t really see a valid reason to oppose the fav here, so a no bet race for me unless he drifts to a backable (9/4) price, which is highly unlikely.<br>Queen Anne<br>Very keen to take on George at the price, have gone in mildly heavily on Ramonti each-way. Think Cesare is underpriced given age stats and lack of G1 form.<br>Ascot Stakes<br>Sadly emasculated due to the castrati at Ascot, but still intriguing. Still reckon a high draw will be a big advantage and have played Inchadamph and Enjoy the Moment.<br>Windsor Castle<br>Not involved here yet and unlikely to be unless a playable draw bias emerges earlier.<br>Good luck all, one more sleep!
June 18, 2007 at 21:06 #65156Ramonti is my only bet of the day.
June 18, 2007 at 22:56 #65158Coventry (2:30)<br> – Not convinced by Henrythenavigator here. Pencil Hill makes some appeal, as does Lindoro.
King’s Stand (3:05)<br> – Benbaun of the home brigade and Magnus of those from daaaan under, but anything could win to be honest…
St. James’ Palace (3:45)<br> – Cockney Rebel has a chance to prove himself a cut above the rest of the 3yo milers here. One to watch unless his price continues to drift…
Queen Anne (4:20)<br> – A weak looking renewal with a lop-sided feel due to the returning George Washington. If he’s back on his game, he’ll take plenty of beating, but I’ll take a value chance here. Twice this season, the two French horses have shown they are the same animal formwise, and I don’t think they have all that much to find.
Small win bets on each, and an even smaller reversed forecast (Turtle Bowl & Racinger).
Ascot Stakes (4:55)<br> – Odiham looks very big and worth chucking a couple of quid at, whilst Som Tala looks as though this race may have been the target for a while.
Windsor Castle (5:30)<br> – Off for ages now, but Vhujon might still be something special, and Western Art makes quite a lot of appeal as a slightly overlooked type. Don’t like Achilles Of Troy one bit…
(Edited by non vintage at 11:57 pm on June 18, 2007)
June 18, 2007 at 23:10 #65159Swiss Franc (dam was a flying machine) and HenryTN<br>Enticing (if not softish, otherwise, Bentley Biscuit)<br>Dutch Art<br>Ramonti and Cesare<br>Grafton<br>Achilles of Troy
Ever the optimist.<br>
(Edited by Grimes at 12:13 am on June 19, 2007)<br>
(Edited by Grimes at 12:25 am on June 19, 2007)
June 18, 2007 at 23:21 #65161Ascot 2:30<br>I like the look of Declaration of War he ran well when I backed him at Epsom and I can’t see Henrythenavigator winning because O’Brien, although winning a lot, doesn’t seem to be on the sort of form he normally is.
Ascot 3:05<br>Here I can only come to the conclusion Tax Free is going to win because he ran a good race the other day when beating Moss Vale but I would have to take each way because of the Australian Raiders
Ascot 3:45<br>Cockney Rebel will take all of the beating here. Dutch Art in my opinion is better off over 6f and I think Cockney Rebel will prove to be something special in times to come.
Ascot 4:20<br>I will have to side with Red Evie because George Washington is a complete unknown on his return to the race track, he will either win it by ten lengths or be an astounding flop. Red Evie looks on her way to having another fantastic year and hopefully can secure another victory over the colts today.
Ascot 4:55<br>David Pipe and Ryan Moore associated with the same horse must surely produce the winner in Raslan and I think his class will show today but at 12/1 it would be sensible to take each way in my opinion and he should run a good race.
Ascot 5:30<br>I’m siding with Achillies of Troy who let me down on his last start but hopefully his class will show through and he will get back to winning ways.
June 18, 2007 at 23:51 #65162Pencil Hill for me also
(Edited by Grey Desire at 12:55 am on June 19, 2007)
June 19, 2007 at 01:58 #65163Looks like I’ll be the only one dropping Dandy Man. It would seem to appreciate good ground or firmer, and if my memory serves me correctly it won its race on the "wrong side" in this race last year, when dead-heating for 4th.
Miss Andretti has been hyped up as a monster, and maybe she is, but at 3/1 its not really an appealling proposition to me. Of the Aussies I would go for Takeover Target if I has to go for one because its already proven itself in the UK last year. should be a cracking race to watch, and the fact a favourite horse of mine Green Manalishi is 100/1 would testify to the fact its a decent race. Enticing gets the weight but its asking a lot of a 3yo.
In the first race i am most definitely against the favourite with several capable of beating it. Declaration of War, Pencil Hill and at a much better price, Burnwynd Boy. Cockney Rebel is my banker and its pretty difficult to decide what to do with George Washington, but I’m a sucker for top-class horses :)
I’ll be passing on the 4:55 race and the 5:30 also looks fiendish but the bottom 3 definitely have possibilities and will most probably all carry the burden of my money.
On current form I’ll be happy with one winner, but I’m sure it will give you a lguh if you thought you had a bad day :)
And please BBC don’t go over board on the frills and hats coverage :rolleyes:
June 19, 2007 at 05:03 #65164Coventry – no idea.<br>King’s Stand – Aussie trifecta.<br>St. James’s Palace – Cockney Rebel.<br>Queen Anne – Ramonti.<br>Other races – no idea.<br>:cool:
June 19, 2007 at 06:55 #651652.30 Yem Kinn<br>3.05 Dandy Man<br>3.45 Cockney Rebel<br>4.20 Ramonti<br>4.55 McEldowney<br>5.30 No Idea [Fat Boy?]
June 19, 2007 at 08:34 #65166Will be very surprised if dual course and distance winner Cesare (supplemented for 20k) is out of the first three in the Queen Anne. Thouse generous bookies going quarter odds a place make it worth a trip on foot to the 3 offices required to get on!
I’m keen to be against Pencil Hill as I think there’s a chance he’s somewhat flattered by his Curragh win. Achilles of Troy almost certainly set too strong a gallop. I think the Woodcote looks a good race this year and think Declaration of War has the best form going into the Coventry.
If a low draw doesn’t prove a disadvantage, Vhujon is going to take plenty of catching in the Windsor Castle.
Raslan looks to have a few of his won ideas about the game but McCoy has got a tune out of him over jumps and I think Ryan Moore won’t allow him to shirk the issue today. He was progressing well last year on the Flat and his first Warwick win has proved good form. His pedigree oozes stamina and I see him running on strongly when plenty have cried enough.
June 19, 2007 at 08:34 #65167Coventry – Pencil Hill & Yem Kinn to oppose Henrythenavigator but will wait until just before the off before punting..
June 19, 2007 at 08:47 #65168I will review my position once the day starts and i get a grasp on the draw bias,however,at this stage im going to take low numbers as having the advantage in the sprints!!
2.30 Started off by laying Henrythenavigator at a combined 3,42 and Pencil Hill 8,00 (coupled at 2,4),the former looks short enough based on the evidence of one run especially has he`s coming back in distance,he might turn out to be a league better than these but at the price and from stall 17 its a lay,Seen enough of Pencil hill to convince myself he`s no Ascot horse,for the winner i will look to LUCK MONEY and take a small interest on COASTING despite the draw,odds of 42,0 are the carrot!!
3,05 Question of diving in with the Aussies or against them,i will take the latter stand,Miss Andretti (Doesn`t look like a sprinter,weight might be another stopper for the small madam) is clearly a good tool and is the obvious one but at the price from that draw i`m happy to swerve her , i thought DANDY MAN would be another “kettle of fish“ this year but must admit to being disappointed with last time outs tame effort,still,forgive one run and have another bash from block one,might do some dutching with the well drawn pair of BENBAUN and TAX FREE.
3.45 Can`t see past COCKNEY REBEL as i think he can handle a tactical race despite taking some time to settle at the Curragh,he`s the best horse in the race by at least 6lbs in my reckoning,furthermore,i`m convinced he`s a real Ascot type so granted usual luck in running he will be my main bet of day one!!
4.20 George Washington was rated 124 at his best so the obvious is their for all to see,however,that would only give him a couple of legnths on this field if at his very best and theirs enough reason to think that won`t be the case following a return from stud,Cesare is decent but for the winner i will go for the lazy gal RED EVIE,8 wins from 10 starts,many by less than half a legnth,she`s not one for the nervous but i`m not in that catagory so why not;)
4.55 If the course is really good to Firm i will have a go on FULL HOUSE,having bet him last time when he won by half the track i thought he would have it tough here,whilst that`s the case i don`t see any obvious improver in the line up so at odds of 33,0 are way to big for me too refuse,might have a side bet on ENJOY THE MOMENT
5.30 Stall one could be a dream come true for the lightning fast VHUJON,i hope the jockey can save enough for the last two hundred metres by riding a canny race from the front,the last thing he should do is go to hard and break the field up so a finisher will get a clear run……Stack them up lad!!
Like i say i will review my situation after the first race,the above is my initial impression!!
Have an enjoyable day
June 19, 2007 at 08:51 #65169Those that think coming back in distance could be a problem for Henrythenavigator, O’Brien pulled off the same tactics to double up in the Coventry with that Gowran maiden with Landseer. Personally I don;’t think the drop in trip will be a problem, he took a while to settle at Gowran and it was his turn of foot 2f out that sealed matters rather than a sustained gallop.
June 19, 2007 at 09:04 #65170I`m not into unsolicited tips usually, after all, if a horse has a bit of a chance why give it to all and sundry; it`ll only drive the price down. HOWEVER, I have been a bit of a laggard keeping up with my Forum E-Mail because I have been exceptionally busy setting up my short Racing Season which starts with the Criterion; and I do appreciate the replies and help proffered.
3.05 today @ Royal Ascot Pivotal Point is 14/1<br> 1,2,3 A PLACE on Betfair which equates to Winning odds of 56/1
*Close 3rd last year and flying in<br>*Ridden by runaway leader in Jockeys table<br>*Drawn well with the Standside fast runners<br>*Should be OK on the Going if the rain holds off
MINUS = Ran 2 days ago in a 6f @ Salisbury so hasn`t had much time to recover.
Why am I not betting on the Race ?<br>1. Too many runners<br>2. 1st day of Meeting & 2nd Race on card with only a<br> 2YO Race prior so not much chance of an accurate<br> Going assessment – although without rain it appears<br> to be fairly firm on the Straight.<br>3. No true comparison can be made between Australian <br> & British Form – BUT – their Sprinters do appear <br> to be stronger, faster, more adaptable and more <br> rugged than ours and so worthy of shorter prices.
SprintZipper
June 19, 2007 at 09:12 #651712:30 Henrythenavigator is way too short given form, pedigree and dropping back in trip. LAID 3 pts at 3.6
3:05 Sprints aren’t really my thing, and there hasn’t been an outstanding sprinter for a number of years, so this would normally be a stick a pin race. However, I was enormously impressed by Enticing last time out, and the price looks tasty, so I took some ante post BACK 2pts at 20.0
3:45 Cockney Rebel is clearly the form pick, but Dutch Art’s price is way too high – I don’t think any of the rest are a threat, so you’re taking 4.2 or so that Dutch Art lost the Guineas due to the draw. No brainer for me BACK 3pts at 4.2
4.20 Weak renewal for me – it all hinges on George Washington, with the rest of the field (possibly Red Evie excepted) not being Group 1 standard. On the basis he could come back not on his game, I’m going to lay George Washington for a place (LAY 5pts at 1.5) and have a nibble of Red Evie (BACK 1pt at 7.6)
June 19, 2007 at 09:14 #65172I can’t honestly see Henrythenavigator being beaten in the Coventry, despite the drop in trip, and I’ll be backing him at all prices until the off.
In the other races:
3.05 Enticing<br>3.45 Cockney Rebel<br>4.20 George Washington<br>4.55 Full House<br>5.30 Vhujon
June 19, 2007 at 09:17 #651732.30 South Dakota (must turn around form with Pencil Hill when conceding 6lbs and only beaten a snot.)
3.05 Bentley Biscuit (my mate in Oz has been raving about this nag for months, reckons it has the beating of the fav and Ill go along with that, especially with the draw)
3.45 Cockney Rebel
4.20 George
4.55 Som Tala (backed it at Chester and wasnt impressed with the ride he got that day. Track prob didnt suit. Travels well in his races)
5.30 Vhujon
(Edited by aston at 10:18 am on June 19, 2007)
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