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- June 7, 2024 at 14:14 #1697161
Not content with launching his campaign getting drenched and then going to the Titanic museum with all the inevitable jokes, it turns out Sunak scarpered early from the D Day commemorations to do an interview.
He does not want to win the election. Given that a very large proportion of his own constituency have links to the military, I am starting to wonder if he even wants to retain his seat. He could go to California a lot earlier if he loses it.
June 7, 2024 at 14:47 #1697167Yes, it’s impossible to defend Sunak. Biden can hardly walk yet he managed to last out.
So rare for any politician to apologise. Labour are supposedly 20 points clear, it looks as if Sunak’s happy to bump that up to 25. As ex-military Mordaunt must be really looking forward to being sent into battle tonight.
June 7, 2024 at 15:22 #1697170It would have been a stupid thing for any Prime Minister to do – but even more so for a Conservative Prime Minister facing an insurgent challenger on his right hand flank who will not think twice about playing the patriotic card.
Mordaunt is usually cool and collected but I don’t suppose she is looking forward to tonight.
June 7, 2024 at 15:42 #1697172‘He does not want to win the election.’
This has to be the conclusion at this stage. I am no political advisor but even I can work out that as PM you take a full day out of campaigning and attend a D Day service, especially given that the very few survivors left are almost all centenarians. It is inconceivable that this was a simple oversight. Did nobody at any stage think it was a bad idea? Even the Tory propagandist part of the press might be upset by this one.
June 7, 2024 at 15:49 #1697173“Chucking milk at someone is, legally, an offence. Only in the most addled minds is it comparable to dowsing someone in acid. It’s the equivalent of a car driving into a puddle and spraying you as you walk on the pavement”
The big difference here Tonge is that the person sprayed by a car going through a puddle,
annoying as it is, knows immediately what has happened I don’t think you can compare the
two as the victim having a cup of unknown fluid over them, albeit it turns out to be a
milkshake, has the initial fear of what the substance is.This time the thrower, as you say, innocent of violent intent. Yes it wasn’t a corrosive
substance but I wouldn’t go as far to say no violent intent. If someone threw a milkshake
over yourself, I think you might think it was a violent action.MP’s and monarchy undoubtably have security around them, but they are also always at risk.
Even a good security team have literally seconds to firstly see the risk coming and secondly
reacting to it. That’s why I think any attack, even such as a milkshake thrown over an MP,
is more serious than just a prank. I think inefectual policing is a bit harsh (in this case)
when in a crowd of people someone is standing with, on this case, a milkshake in their hand.You are certainly correct that we have violent deranged killers. The problem is, without good
intel, what does a violent deranged killer look like? Any attack against an MP cannot be treated
as a prank. it’s a risk. There are those who might be “copt cat” individuals who think that this
is fair game. What if one of those individuals just also happens to be a violent deranged killer.
The problem is, you can’t rule out something similar may also be more sinester. It’s very difficult
to protect an MP in public, that’s a risk they all take. They have to be taken seriously.June 7, 2024 at 16:29 #1697174One of Sunak’s aides has quit over his D-Day behaviour and written “It was an act of either colossal stupidity or cynical calculation. Either way, it revealed to me that while I still embrace a conservative philosophy, I am no longer willing to have it outsourced to a bunch of mendacious, incompetent and disreputable clowns.”
I expect a lot of Conservative voters agree with him.
June 7, 2024 at 16:38 #1697176All that, and you are still unable to separate someone throwing a milkshake and a lunatic intent on serious damage. I think most people would see the two actions as not remotely similar, or indeed linked at all. Of course if you did you would have no argument whatsoever.
How often do politicians walk the streets? Once every 5 years pretending to be interested in all and sundry. Personally, I wouldn’t miss that spectacle at all. Farage doesn’t give a monkeys about the people of Clacton. More fool them if they don’t realise.
June 7, 2024 at 19:21 #1697198Despite having been told that they are wrong, the Conservatives are doubling down on their £2k figure. This appears to be a classic example of repeating a lie so often that you hope it sticks.
I wonder how many times Mordaunt will repeat it in this evening’s debate…
June 7, 2024 at 21:31 #1697209Thought the two main parties were awful again. It’s been the same in the three debates so far. Mordaunt had a peculiar american twang at times which I hadn’t noticed before. Farage was Farage. He delivered what anyone would have expected. Again the minor parties came across best, but we can’t vote SNP. These would be much more interesting/significant if the result wasn’t a foregone conclusion.
It’s quite worrying with Labour so obviously moving to the right, and the potential for the Tories to do exactly the same after their defeat. Then you have Farage and Reform even further to the right. What became of the centre left?
June 7, 2024 at 22:06 #1697214“What became of the centre left?”
It’s been rendered obsolete by forty-plus years of neoliberal brainwashing.
June 7, 2024 at 22:37 #1697223I was watching the darts and football so I didn’t have any screens left for the ‘debate’ unfortunately. Only four weeks to go.
June 8, 2024 at 00:15 #1697236From an article in “Spiked”:
“Is Rishi Sunak trying to lose the General Election? It is starting to feel like a very real possibility. After all, short of stealing a puppy from an orphan, or arranging a firing squad of NHS nurses, it is hard to think of a more hamfisted, more tone-deaf, more downright antagonistic move than flouncing out of events commemorating the D-Day landings. He must want the voters to hate him. That is the only rational explanation.
The Labour attack lines are writing themselves: ‘Rishi Sunak demands national service from young people but ducks out of a service for veterans.’ You just cannot argue with that.”
June 8, 2024 at 10:36 #1697270The inimitable John Crace in the Graun on Sunak and the ‘debates’
Spot on
June 8, 2024 at 14:41 #1697343June 8, 2024 at 14:49 #1697345Well they are the new Tories. All a game.
The only poll I have seen made Farage the ‘winner’. That despite barely getting a clap from the audience. Amazing what anonimity can do.
June 8, 2024 at 16:26 #1697369“The only poll I have seen made Farage the ‘winner’. “
The only good line in the entire ninety minutes came from Carla Denyer, when she sarcastically described a spat between Rayner and Mordaunt as being “terribly dignified “ or similar.
June 8, 2024 at 16:48 #1697376BigG’s post about the milkshake throwing is spot on in my view. I’m surprised at the number of people thinking it is OK to throw a liquid over a politician, even if it’s a thoroughly contemptible one such as Farage.
At the time of the act, the victim is not to know what the substance is, and I can see why the experience could be intimidating and traumatising. The fact the liquid turns out to be something innocuous is irrelevant as that is not known at the time. The linkage to far worse acts such as what happened to Jo Cox is entirely valid.
For those people who dismiss it is as a prank, if someone chucked a milkshake over them as they were simply going about their day, would they not consider themselves to have been assaulted?
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