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I’m glad you’ve managed to find a country with a worse GDP that the Uk Wilts,
and you are right, Germany is struggling against the UK, much in the same way
that the UK is struggling against the G7. France is on par but the Euro Zone
is better than the UK, as are all the other members. Incidently these aren’t
my figures, these are the figures of the UK Parliament GDP International
Comparisons: Key Economic Indicators. So as long as we beat the Germans,
holy cow it’s almost like being back in 45.I’ll put my money where my mouth is. Being of the Doom and Gloom Brigade,
I’ll happily bet you £50 that the UK goes into recession in 2024. You can’t
blame a man for trying to make a few quid out of country that kids itself
on It’s going the right way when it’s walking straight into banana peel season.
Up to you mate
It speaks volumes that nobody is actually telling us what the Tories have achieved in more than 13 years in power and how they are planning to build upon it. Answers on a postcard please.
Richard said “…what the Tories have achieved in more than 13 years in power…”
Richard, are you a Labour Party member?
I noticed a couple of months back that when on TV, The SKS and his troops had dropped the
“Tories have crashed the economy” intro to all their answers to TV journos.
Their latest intro to any Q posed is
“The Tories have had 13 years in power”Labour Party Comms chiefs ensuring every Labour frontbencher, when on TV, starts with “The Tories have had 13 years in power”.
“Tories have crashed the economy” has been dropped, because Labour eventually realised they had been lying all along“It speaks volumes that nobody is actually telling us what the Tories have achieved in more than 13 years in power”.
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A lot better than Labour in the same situation, Richard.
Just think of what the alternative actually was.
Corbyn and a far left Labour Party!!!
Corbyn, a man even the leader of the Labour Party now believes is unworthy of being in the Labour Party actually being in charge of the whole of the UK.
Can you imagine with all the borrowing Corbynomics would have brought us, we’d have been in a far worse situation financially and that’s even before first Covid hit… No money available to fight the deadliest threat to public health in living memory! Then we’d have had Corbyn / Britain kowtowing to his great leader Putin over first Salisbury and then the Russia / Ukraine war!
…And with Chakrabati’s “cover up”, all Corbyn’s antisemitic mates in the Labour Party still in power at a time of the Gazza / Israel war!
I know it’s saying something, but it makes me feel grateful we had Johnson. LOL
Even with the mistakes Conservatives made, if making up a time period you would not have wanted Labour in power it’s surely this one?
Value Is EverythingI’m trying to find a comparison of the number of ministerial post changes there have been over 13 years of Tory government compared to 15 (?) of the last Labour government. By the way, Corbyn didn’t win the election anyway, purely for the reasons that have been mentioned,and partly because many people in the Labour Party, myself included, didn’t like him politically. But, imo he’s a far more decent person than those currently in power. Just imagine, Braverman could quite easily have been PM now and she might well be leader of the Conservative Party in the future. If Farage doesn’t beat her to it!
Tories may have had 13 years in power, but the first 5 was a minority government with the lib dems. Nothing gets done in a minority government.
You've got to accentuate the positive.
Eliminate the negative.
Latch on to the affirmative.
Don't mess with mister in between.Nothing then. Thought not.
Answer 1: Are you a Labour member?*
Answer 2: Whatabout Corbyn
Answer 3: It’s the Lib Dems’ fault*Nonetheless, for the record I have never even so much as voted for them and would not join them or any other party. You say they’ve started doing it in the last couple of months. I’ve been asking that question since at least the time when it was ’12 years’ (maybe someone at Labour HQ was reading my posts
). Anyway, it’s a perfectly valid question hence why they, and I, are asking it. Feel free to answer. Or not.I think it was austerity that stopped anything in this country from happening, not the fact that it was a coalition government. The effects of which are making matters worse now with a struggling NHS service, crumbling schools, prisons etc etc. The only forward thinking thing in this country, HS2, has been partly scrapped, with Sunak selling off the land purchased for that as quickly as he possibly can so that a future Labour government can’t resurrect it.(ok, we’re a railway family and I admit to being biased about that but it probably results from using our free rail tickets to travel round Europe and see the difference in train travel in Europe compared to here). A friend from London say parts of Camden have been decimated to make way for a station that is no longer going to be built.
I don’t recall anything major getting done when Labour was in power with a minority government. In fact didn’t they hold another general election some months after (in one case).
You've got to accentuate the positive.
Eliminate the negative.
Latch on to the affirmative.
Don't mess with mister in between.‘It didn’t feel like the end of the NHS, it just needed a sympathetic government. Under Tony Blair and Gordon Brown, the Labour government almost doubled healthcare spending as a share of GDP – lo and behold, it was affordable for the nation and transformed clinical outcomes.9 Jan 2023’
I apologise for not knowing the source for the above. I know my daughter went into teaching when there was a Labour government but left after years of Conservative government. Not enough resources, bigger class sizes etc,Moehat,
If Labour wanted to keep HS2 they could easily have done so.
We all know Labour is by far the most likely to win the next election.
Therefore All Kier needed to do is say “Labour will do all of HS2”.., and the land on those routes that would be sold off immediately become worthless and so impossible to sell. Enabling Labour to build HS2.
But Labour doesn’t say it, because they know HS2 is a bad idea and want an excuse to:(A) Not build it
and
(B) Blame the Tories for not being able to build it.Value Is Everything“Under Tony Blair and Gordon Brown, the Labour government almost doubled healthcare spending as a share of GDP”
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You do know that the whole world was booming at the time Tony Blair was in power?
…As it also was when Gordon Brown took charge.
Indeed it was Brown who famously said there’d be “no return to boom and bust”…
Unfortunately believing there’d never be a bust under his watch “Prudence” failed to save for a rainy day…
Which is why the banking crisis hit Britain so hard….
And as Labour’s Treasury man’s note said there was “no money left” when the Coalition took over.
Therefore had Brown won that general election he too would have had no choice but to cut everything drastically…. Including – in real terms – the NHS.I don’t believe you’re that naive to believe Labour would have continued to spend, spend, spend after the world economic downturn hit. Because had they done so there’d have been no trust in Britain and borrowing costs would’ve shot up. It would’ve been far worse than Trussonomics had Labour continued their spending spree.
Expecting any government to spend at the same rate in bad times as it does in good times is crazy, but sadly typical Labour spin.
Value Is EverythingIn my naïveté I can never understand why,when anything goes wrong under a Labour government it’s the governments fault but, when it’s a Conservative government it’s always the fault of outside influences or unprecedented events. Mind you, the pandemic was unprecedented except for the fact that Hunt, when Health minister, presided over Operation Cygnus which showed that the country was unprepared for a possible pandemic,and he did absolutely nothing about it.
LOL It’s the other way around, Moehat.
I (a Conservative) have not blamed the Labour government for the banking crisis…
Have only said Brown (who believed / told us there’d never be a “bust” under his economic leadership) did not save for the possibility of an economic downturn… ie That the banking crisis was worse for Britain than it should have been because Brown did not save when times were good.And yet Labour wants to effectively blame the Conservatives for not spending the same amount as they did on the NHS etc. Without also considering how much money the Coalition and later Conservative governments actually had in the bank TO spend. Blair and Brown (in his early days as PM) were in power at a time of a booming World. Whereas the Coalition / Conservatives – in real terms – had much less money available to them because of the (World) banking crisis, Brexit (voted by the UK electorate), Covid (started in China), Ukraine (started by Putin) etc etc. that ALL contributed to a World economic downturn.
What I am saying is, of course we can have debates on how well Conservatives and Labour did under the circumstances of their days… But there needs to be some realisation that had Brown won his election he’d have had to severely cut back spending too due to the world economic downturn.
Value Is Everything“Ginger do you believe they’ll be a recession next year”.
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I don’t expect a UK recession next year, HDLG.
ie I doubt it will hit what is termed an official “recession”.
Even though it will be bad for some, overall I expect the country’s economy to grow next year.Value Is Everything
). Anyway, it’s a perfectly valid question hence why they, and I, are asking it. Feel free to answer. Or not.
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