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With Starmer having a poor night im beginning to wonder if we’ll see a marked increase in indepedent MPs after the GN , let’s face we are screaming out for some new ideas in our politics
Whilst new ideas are definitely needed, the FPTP voting system is the biggest problem. To win seats, you have to appeal to the lowest common denominator, sadly.
Do you think FPTP costs smaller parties like the Greens votes Glad? I’m sure most Green voters for example would see Labour as the least bad option in a two horse race with the Tories and in a close run seat, a vote for a small party can be a vote for the Tories so you end up having to hold your nose and vote Labour.
I’ve never noticed this before but in 2019 the four Northern Ireland parties that won at least one seat plus Plaid in Wales had 22 seats between them. Their entire combined votes were around three thousand fewer than the Greens who as you know have one MP. You cannot defend a system like that.
Proportional Representation is not in the interest of either of the two big parties, so sadly it will never happen. The Conservative 80 seat majority of 2019, was achieved with only 43% of the vote.
“Do you think FPTP costs smaller parties like the Greens votes Glad?”
Definitely. There’s loads of research to show that that’s the case, too.
I am a member of the Green Party and live in a constituency with a five-figure Conservative majority, so have always been able to vote with my conscience. If I lived in a Con/Lab (or Con/Lib Dem) marginal seat, however, I would vote Labour or Lib Dem.
In the next general election, I may well vote Labour anyway, seeing how apparently unassailable Conservative leads have been turned around in recent by-elections.
I’m no fan of Starmer’s, but he’s still preferable to the current lot.
Thanks Glad, makes perfect sense. Greens will tactically vote elsewhere but it’s basically never possible to tactically vote Green if you support another party so it’s one way traffic.
The lines have been redrawn where I am so it remains to be seen whether Labour or LD have the best chance, could well be LD as the westcountry is about as close to a heartland as they have.
It’s such a pity that Labour and the Lib Dems don’t sit down and formulate a plan together. The constant fragmentation of the centre-left vote is what enables the Tories to win all the bloody time.
Yes and the Tories can have no complaints because Farage’s lot were stood down in Tory seats last time and I didn’t hear them having a problem with it.
As I have said, I don’t particularly like it but whilst we have a system that encourages it, you have to play the game. As befair says, it suits the big parties unfortunately.
Gladiator said :
In the next general election, I may well vote Labour anyway, seeing how apparently unassailable Conservative leads have been turned around in recent by-elections.
If like you say you’re a member of the Green Party shouldn’t you be voting Green, as anything else is a compromise.
To be honest, no party goes into an election looking to do a deal with a rival party. The Tories didn’t in 2010 it was only because it was a minority government that a deal was struck (with the Lib Dems in this case). In 2015 They won a majority and the deal with the Lib Dems was over.
Proportional Representation won’t necessarily bring the result that you may like, look what happened when we voted on BREXIT, the stay campaign didn’t like the result and constantly bickered about it.
You've got to accentuate the positive.
Eliminate the negative.
Latch on to the affirmative.
Don't mess with mister in between.“I am a member of the Green Party.
It’s such a pity that Labour and the Lib Dems don’t sit down and formulate a plan together. The constant fragmentation of the centre-left vote is what enables the Tories to win all the bloody time”.
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Yes Glad’, hopefully the far left Green Party will also help the Tories by splitting the Left vote again.
Value Is Everything“shouldn’t you be voting Green”
No, because they have no chance of winning the seat. Labour were second last time and larger majorities have been overturned in recent by-elections.
As for compromise, no party represents anybody 100%. Everybody compromises when it comes to choosing for whom they should vote.
Ginge- the Greens have always been guilty of splitting the non-Tory vote. Fortunately, people are just so fed up of this government that they’re screwed no matter what.
I sometimes think about Minor parties like The Greens, suppose they actually won, what policy would they have in power.
You've got to accentuate the positive.
Eliminate the negative.
Latch on to the affirmative.
Don't mess with mister in between.Cars only for elites.
Everyone else is forced onto buses.
Economy of a third world country.That type of thing RR.
Value Is EverythingGoogle ‘Green Party Manifesto’ and find out, the most recent (i.e. 2019) one is 92 pages long.
What about Monster Raving Loonie Party. As for the Greens I thought it’ll be walk everywhere.
You've got to accentuate the positive.
Eliminate the negative.
Latch on to the affirmative.
Don't mess with mister in between.On Peston tonight
Rachel Reeves, Labour’s golden girl, doing her upmost to NOT explain exactly how Labour would grow the economy. They have a target of being No.1 on growth of ALL G7 economies by end of their 1st term.
She couldnt explain how, what they’d do to achieve it; just prattled on about “we wont take chances with the public finances”.Now, Peston is a Socialist, and even he wasnt convinced whatsoever by Labour’s golden girl.
Still not convinced by SKS’s Labour; like many.
All to play for over coming 6 months.I predict an early May GE, on same day as local council elections – this will stretch resources of LDs in the South.
By-elections dont determine GEs.
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