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  • #1650581
    Avatar photoIanDavies
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    Interesting stuff as always from you, Wilts, but tbh I heard very similar stuff about Blair and New Labour on the run up to the 1997 Election.

    Governments lose elections, Oppositions don’t win them, is a basic law of life.

    It’s electorates getting sick of a government that’s key every time.

    Plus the “time for a change” factor.

    No, there’s nothing exciting or inspiring about Starmer’s Labour – but this is politics, not the Eclipse at Sandown and nothing about politics actually excites the vast majority.

    I think the Tories have already done enough to lose – what the beneficiaries of that defeat offer is immaterial unless it’s scarily extreme.

    And it isn’t.

    Starmer wins – just a question of by how far.

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    #1650582
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    The public hearings alone for the Covid Inquiry aren’t due to finish until summer 2026 so the final report – damning or otherwise – can be expected some time after then, perhaps just in time for the 2029/30 general election :scratch:

    However, on the presumption that the hearings will indeed all be held in the public domain without chunks being redacted or held in camera there is a possibility/probability that seriously smelly stuff will emanate Joe Public’s way and influence the upcoming election

    The timetable for the Inquiry and updates are here:

    What is the UK Covid-19 Inquiry?

    #1650584
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    Thanks Drone.

    ‘It’s electorates getting sick of a government that’s key every time.’

    Exactly this, Starmer doesn’t need to be ‘inspiring’, and I doubt he could be if he tried!

    It’s simply not credible for the Tories to keep standing there telling us that they’ll fix everything, they’ve had thirteen years in power. Why not tell us about all the great stuff they’ve done in that time that they’ll keep working on?

    It’s why they’re pushing all this ‘culture wars’ rubbish, it’s a made up problem which therefore has a made up solution.

    #1650586
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    Shades of Kinnock’s Sheffield Rally ’92.
    KW “They think it’s all over…it is???”

    #1650589
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    Plenty of decent odds about various forms of Conservative victories are available :good:

    I still think Ian is sitting on a decent bet with a hung parliament.

    #1650598
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    I agree, Wilts, he should have learned from the Kinnock triumphalism.

    But tbh I think 2019 was Labour’s 1992 revisited.

    Labour would surely have won had they put up someone more credible than Jeremy Corbyn.

    1997 was almost like a bit of elastic that had been stretched so far it snapped – landslide because the Tories shouldn’t have won in 92 – and the next election might yet be like that.

    But tbh a hung parliament is still distinctly possible and aside from the betting I wouldn’t mind.

    I don’t much like Starmer, the best thing I can say about him is he’s not (quite) a Tory.

    I quite like the idea of a rainbow alliance, electoral reform and simply a moderate centre-left-green coalition and no more Conservative governments in my lifetime.

    Britain might just become a nicer country to live in again.

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    #1650602
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    ‘I don’t much like Starmer, the best thing I can say about him is he’s not (quite) a Tory.’

    Damning with faint praise at its finest (I very much concur).

    Not (quite) being a Tory did work quite well for Tony ‘Three Elections’ Blair though it has to be said.

    I don’t mind the idea of a hung parliament at all, and not just for the sake of the Ian Davies Fund For Biscuit Research. If we get some sort of ‘left of the Conservatives’ alliance out of it then why not?

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    This is what the Covid enquiry should recognise, although it obviously won’t.

    Lockdown Benefits “Drop in the Bucket Compared to the Costs”, Landmark Study Finds

    #1650761
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    ‘Question everything’ says the Daily Sceptic.

    Good advice, turns out this ‘landmark new study’ is nearly 18 months old and not published or peer reviewed. At least some of the analysis isn’t what they say it is. It’s also a paper by economists from the two universities mentioned, not a study by those institutions as has been reported in places.

    One of the questions I would ask is why is an old study being presented as new? Hasn’t someone come along in the meantime and backed up the findings? Why the need to present it as something it isn’t?

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    One suspects the effectiveness of lockdowns was overplayed by governments, in terms of lives saved, esp when taking into effect of business closures, furlough payments, cost to economy, recovery time, etc, etc.

    However, what the report and those studies fail to acknowledge is the massive differences between The UK and Sweden, in terms of population density.

    UK 281 peeps per sq km.
    Sweden 25 peeps per sq km.

    Number of cities over 500,000
    Sweden has 2; Stockholm and Gothenburg
    UK has 12

    As diseases like covid can spread rapidly amongst people congregated together it is quite easy to see why the likes of Belgium and UK should NOT be compared to Sweden.
    Kinda Apples & Pears job.

    #1650779
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    It’s very hard to compare anything, cultures are different as well. In Finland there were jokes about abandoning two metre distancing and reverting to the usual five. I don’t think anyone will ever be able to produce anything to conclusively say either way what what was right.

    For what it’s worth, I don’t think a Labour government would or could have done much differently. With the possible exception of things like giving three week old companies with zero history of any kind a sum of over £200 million.

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    I think Corbyn had he won in 2019 and faced this would have taken more care of the vulnerable – releasing the elderly back into care homes to spread covid night not have happened – but lockdowns would have been far longer and he wouldn’t have cared how much future national debt had been run up and he’d have made the spending by Johnson and Sunak look miserly.

    Fewer dead, country in an even worse mess financially than it is now.

    Just guessing, of course.

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    #1650781
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    ‘Just guessing, of course.’

    That is rather the point isn’t it? We are where we are. Crack on based on that, instead of arguing about how things ought to have been.

    #1650782
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    Agreed.

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    #1650783
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    “Crack on based on that, instead of arguing about how things ought to have been.”

    Yep, totally agree.
    Sustained grief can really screw people.
    I’ve heard the ‘victims’ groups say things like “we couldnt see our relatives in care homes” and yet at same time lambast HMG and NHS for
    letting people go into care homes from hospital.
    The NHS “Stay at home” message was also responsible for 000s of deaths, as peeps didnt call 999 soon enough.

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    Seems the “easy” American trade deal isn’t going to happen , every time I see Sunak with Biden it reminds me of a boy trying to get in the cool gang at school , it’s obvs Biden doesnt want to waste his time …

    #1650850
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    Britain is less important to the USA out of the EU, than in it.

    And while Britain can still engage and have dialogue with the EU, its influence is greatly reduced.

    Still, Brexit reminded Johnny Foreigner whose shores Adolf Hitler was unable to penetrate in 1939-45.

    The ultimate act of a has been evoking former glories to no contemporary end.

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