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Thanks for info re scratchings. RP don’t always put dead – even when the horse has been fatally injured on the course – I’ve had to email the course to find out quite a few times. Still say Zoe should have mentioned it. People like me who only saw the reply didn’t know what the man in the booth said following the actual race. To be fair they usually do add a postscript on the replay.
what you have got to remember is that zoey was not at kelso and probably would not have known about rasharrow and if you had watched on dougie made reference to the horse on more than one occasion and him being a scot, like lenny lungo im sure he was gutted.<br>it was a great shame i was at wetherby when rasharrow first ran and he beat lennon on the bridle very impressively and although he never really fulfilled his potential im sure he would have won more races.
Quote: from lochinver on 10:11 pm on May 11, 2007[br]Thanks for info re scratchings. RP don’t always put dead – even when the horse has been fatally injured on the course <br>
<br>Here again the reason behind that would probably be down to the Post’s race readers being rooted to the spot for the duration of the meeting (generally in front of a monitor with playback facility), and operating in margins of time too tight to be able to chase the course vets for confirmation regarding a potentially dead animal.
It’s simply erring on the side of caution rather than any shirking of the issue on their part.
Jeremy<br>(graysonscolumn)<br>
Jeremy Grayson. Son of immigrant. Adoptive father of two. Metadata librarian. Freelance point-to-point / horse racing writer, analyst and commentator wonk. Loves music, buses, cats, the BBC Micro, ale. Advocate of CBT, PACE and therapeutic parenting. Aspergers.
Quote: from jonny33 on 9:31 am on May 12, 2007[br]what you have got to remember is that zoey was not at kelso and probably would not have known about rasharrow<br>
<br>True to a point – she would have had an ATR monitor in front of her but may have been preoccupied preparing for her own next link or race.
However, it would have been the work of seconds for someone to have whispered into her earpiece not to appear too jolly when discussing the race in her next link, as there was a potentially serious incident involving one of the horses in it. That’s not really an awful lot to ask, I think.
Jeremy<br>(graysonscolumn)<br>
Jeremy Grayson. Son of immigrant. Adoptive father of two. Metadata librarian. Freelance point-to-point / horse racing writer, analyst and commentator wonk. Loves music, buses, cats, the BBC Micro, ale. Advocate of CBT, PACE and therapeutic parenting. Aspergers.
Quote: from madman marz on 8:42 pm on May 11, 2007[br]<br>Because its the nature of Jump Racing with so many obstacles to negotiate, accidents are inevitable, espiecially when horses are getting tired after slogging around in bottomless ground, of course summer jumps has the added danger of lightning fast ground.<br>
<br>Hmmmm… a couple of separate arguments for another thread altogether there, although as one of the biggest summer jumping apologists on this Forum I feel duty bound to reiterate that "lightning fast ground" is outlawed for summer jumping, with no meeting allowed to take place on hard going, or any firm going that course inspectors have decreed unsafe.
The stipulations on watering jumps courses during high summer are such now that you tend to get better, safer ground in July (which is covered by the watering edicts) than in a dry September and October (which aren’t).
Jeremy<br>(graysonscolumn)<br>
Jeremy Grayson. Son of immigrant. Adoptive father of two. Metadata librarian. Freelance point-to-point / horse racing writer, analyst and commentator wonk. Loves music, buses, cats, the BBC Micro, ale. Advocate of CBT, PACE and therapeutic parenting. Aspergers.
I think as racing enthusiasts we all want to know what happens to the animals that bring us our enjoyment.
The Racing Post should have a section on their website dedicated to this. If there was a lag of a couple of days while vets, connections etc. were consulted I don’t think anyone would mind. How much would it take for someone to refer to that Memorial site (the name of which escapes me!)?
I don’t think this is too much to ask.
(Edited by ToneLoc at 6:13 pm on May 12, 2007)
Rasharrow’s fate was very obvious – poor, poor horse – and it wouldn’t have taken much for Zoey to have been informed (does she not watch the races from other courses?). <br>Agree with ToneLoc re Racing Post. Is this the site?<br>http://www.racehorsememories.co.uk<br>It’s not been updated for May.<br>Irish meetings are very difficult to get info about – I remember sometime ago a complete outsider was still leading in a chase with 2 or 3 to jump – he fell exhausted and I never did find out if he got up. He certainly didn’t appear as a runner again.<br>
Quote: from lochinver on 8:08 pm on May 12, 2007[br]Rasharrow’s fate was very obvious – poor, poor horse – and it wouldn’t have taken much for Zoey to have been informed (does she not watch the races from other courses?). <br>Agree with ToneLoc re Racing Post. Is this the site?<br>http://www.racehorsememories.co.uk<br>It’s not been updated for May.<br>Irish meetings are very difficult to get info about – I remember sometime ago a complete outsider was still leading in a chase with 2 or 3 to jump – he fell exhausted and I never did find out if he got up. He certainly didn’t appear as a runner again.<br>
I wonder why you even bother to watch jump racing at all lochniver. As I have said before nobody likes to see race horses die, but it is inevitable. Maybe you should campaign to get it banned alltogether, or join the animal rights crowd.
Don’t be so ridiculous!!! You are just SO far from understanding me: I’ve been going to point-to-points since I was little and I am officially involved in them. I watch racing as often as I can – that’s why I subscribe to Racing UK. I would NEVER want it banned and I am not in with the animal rights lot. There is nothing better to watch than a beautiful thoroughbred soaring over a fence – as Rasharrow was doing so well until his last fence. <br>I agree with the comment: I think as racing enthusiasts we all want to know what happens to the animals that bring us our enjoyment. That sums up my thoughts.<br>
Quote: from lochinver on 10:45 pm on May 12, 2007[br]Don’t be so ridiculous!!! You are just SO far from understanding me: I’ve been going to point-to-points since I was little and I am officially involved in them. I watch racing as often as I can – that’s why I subscribe to Racing UK. I would NEVER want it banned and I am not in with the animal rights lot. There is nothing better to watch than a beautiful thoroughbred soaring over a fence – as Rasharrow was doing so well until his last fence. <br>I agree with the comment: I think as racing enthusiasts we all want to know what happens to the animals that bring us our enjoyment. That sums up my thoughts.<br>
While I have gathered you have a great love for horses, which virtually everyone on this forum has. But I think your making a mountain out of a molehill. Hundreds of horses each year die from racing related injuries, not to mention the horses who are so useless that they dont even go into training and end up in some abaittoir, WE have to move on lochniver.
I repeat:<br>I agree with the comment: I think as racing enthusiasts we all want to know what happens to the animals that bring us our enjoyment. That sums up my thoughts and is my opinion …
If that’s "making a mountain out of a molehill" in your opinion then so be it …<br>We shall have to agree to disagree. <br>
The reason the list was taken out of the RP was due to people like Animal Aid etc….<br>Racecourses do not have to tell people about the deaths that occur at there courses. Has the likes of animal aid etc have been emailing and calling courses under false names etc to get fatality rates….<br>Has someone who trains and works in the racing industry, I think its up to the owners and trainers if they want this to be put in the public eye… there are too many nutters in this world who would love to see the sport banned….<br>(if this does not make sense its due to me, being asleep nearly on the keyboard:biggrin: )
Thats true Racinggirl, when I was doing my dissertation for college  on injuies suffered at the racecourses and along those lines I had great difficulty in finding any information as everyone automatically thought i was an animal rights nutter!!!  It got to the point where I had to get references from my college tutors to confirm who i was, and my mums friend who worked for the JC to say I was a racing fan and the information wouldn’t be passed onto any other organisation.  Even then I didnt get any figures so with 2 months before the deadline I had to change the whole bloody thing! nightmare!
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It is something which really annoys me about horse racing. I love the sport and enjoy watching it… however i really do think that cases whether it is a great horse or not if a fatality occurs should be mentioned. Rasharrows fall was obviously a fatal one, and i agree that it should have been aknowledged in a better way. I understand that the commentator is commentating on the race. I feel that it should be mentioned how the horse is after the race at some point. They bring us news on the jockeys, so why so hard to bring us news on the horses? <br>I also think that the racing post should have a section which is dedicated to in memory of horses who loose their lives. they get no mention in the paper other than for example, ‘fell heavily 4 out, dead.’ Surely we can aknowledge it better than that? <br>The often say we will bring you news..but as long as you wait, they dont.
I agree with you that the comment ‘fell x out, dead’ is a bit brutal, but really it’s all you need, and it saves drawing unwanted attention to what has happened.
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I suppose it does, but how many animal rights activists read the racing post every day?<br>I just feel that they should be mentioned..after all they are what the sport is about.. you know what i mean. <br>Just a follow up column on fallers from the previous day. Im sure a lot of people would appreciate it, and it may shine a better light on the loss of lives.
‘fell x out, dead’ is brutal. It would be intersting to know what owners felt about such wording.<br>It might also quieten the animal activists if racing acknowledged their deaths in a more open and kinder manner showing they were appreciated.<br>And Zarra, they sometimes don’t even mention the welfare of a jockey if down, especially if one of the lesser lights.
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