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January 14, 2008 at 21:32 #135158
The people you’re trying to defend, mansun, are indeed the lifeblood of the betting industry (at least from a horseracing standpoint) but they are labelled as such because they’re gambling addicts. Bookmakers, not racing as a whole, farm these people….
…..By and large every single person you see in the betting shop thinks they have the edge……
Can I just say something here a moment, whilst I don’t think you’re aiming this at me or those like me, but I enjoy combining both elements, on line and the betting shop, and it’s best not to tar us all with the same brush really, I take a little exception to that.
Since the advent of the non smoking bookies, they are not unpleasant places to pass half an hour and have a little bet or two, if you have the time in passing. I notice many older, retired people enjoy the camaraderie and perhaps the internet experience has past them by somewhat.
Also, we are certainly not all compulsive gamblers, although like most of us here I’m sure, I know one or two that are and have never been on the internet.Even so, I just wanted to say something for perhaps a different type of Bookmaker patronage.
Margaret
January 14, 2008 at 21:54 #135172I’ve always found it strange that those that have read Nieztsche don’t view themselves as part of the herd. Equally, I’ve found it strange that those that don’t frequent bookies don’t view themselves as mugs (just read the BF forum).
January 15, 2008 at 14:33 #135281What are you on about Mansun?
Unity amongst punters? Why?
At the end of the day, this game boils down to punter vs. punter. My enemy isn’t the bookmaker (who merely offers a price that I am at liberty to accept or reject) – it is the well-informed punter; whether it’s one that has stable information that I am not privy to, or one that pinches a price that I want for myself.
The suggestion that, as punters, we are all in this together, and that the less able should be given a lift-up, helping-hand or whatever you want to call it, is a nonsense.
Some people are just inveterate, degenerate gamblers.
They are compelled to have a bet.
They only want the rush, and don’t two hoots about what they are backing.
Following newspaper tipsters gives the illusion that they are not simply throwing their money away.
Maybe you should go and get a job with Gamcare, if you want to save them from themselves, instead of suggesting that anyone who doesn’t agree with your unique line in drivel is "very sick indeed".
Have a nice day.
January 15, 2008 at 14:36 #135282“I think people who need to be insulting towards the common man in the street who is trying to make his hum drum existence a bit more bearable are very sick indeed.”
I can only conclude you are on a wind up mission mansun.
January 15, 2008 at 14:42 #135285Mansun
I’ll tell you whats flabbergasting. It’s some do gooder coming on here telling us they know whats best for the great unwashed betting shop punters, of which I am one. There is no bigger insult than that.
Maybe this subject is making someones hum drum existence more bearable ?
January 15, 2008 at 14:48 #135288Quote – “If I may repeat my original point, I think it is objectionable that anyone should make a living out of these people (ie racing post tipsters) and not be measured in terms of their ability to successfully pick winners on an ongoing basis.”
I would be amazed if the performances of ‘Racing Post tipsters’ are not measured/monitored by their employers in some way.
If you are concerned about punters and mis-leading information then you should focus on the vagaries of going reports, distance variations and lack of data (sectionals, horse weights,etc).
My own experience of hard-core betting shop punters is that they are very aware that following newspaper tipsters blindly is no route to profit. Those that are unaware quickly address that misconception.
January 15, 2008 at 14:51 #135290Sorry Mansun, but you better make yourself clear in a hurry.
Either these people you refer to are sick with compulsion and can do nothing about it, in which case they would bet on something regardless of whether tipsters existed or not.
Or they aren’t sick, are betting for entertainment only (your words), but are too lazy to do their own research and instead slavishly follow newspaper tipsters.
Which is it??
In either case, I fail to see where Tipsters, the racing media, me or any other fu*cker is culpable.
January 15, 2008 at 15:12 #135300Mansun
Excuse me ? You started it, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah !
You wrote "I think people who need to be insulting towards the common man in the street who is trying to make his hum drum existence a bit more bearable are very sick indeed."
I find that insulting. I am your common man in the street who visits betting shops regularly but I don’t perceive myself to have a hum-drum existence, bearable or not. I do it because I enjoy it"
The last thing betting shop punters need is someone telling them that racing is indebted to them, what they want is the winner of the 2.30.
You also wrote "Finally, you seem to imply my life is hum drum hence I post on this site"
What I actually wrote was "Maybe this subject is making someones hum drum existence more bearable ?" the important word being "subject".
This was in reply to your insinuation that as a betting shop punter I had a hum-drum existence.
Tit for tat on my part I agree, take it for granted that I am now sat on the naughty step with the prospect of no tea.
January 15, 2008 at 15:34 #135304Of all the opinions i have come across on here over the years, the idea that mug punters should be "protected" by tipsters from their own laziness or plain stupidty is the most bizarre yet
January 15, 2008 at 15:37 #135305…and we have had some very bizarre ideas over the years on here
January 15, 2008 at 15:37 #135306"Aaron, whether the existences of the majority of small stakes punters is perceived as hum drum or not is not the point. "
Then why mention it in the first place ?
"UK Racing Forums are filled with people like you who put themsleves up as a virtual bodyguard for racing’s journalistic community."
Where exactly have I took the bullet for racing’s journalistic community ?
"My guess is yourself and Grasshopper work in the media or worse still are media wannabes"
Maybe a media wannabe but I’d need to know what the money is like, which as it happens I’ve asked you already as you "know" they get good money. My guess is you work in the Government , thats where the do gooders tend to end up.
January 15, 2008 at 15:42 #135308"My guess is yourself and Grasshopper work in the media or worse still are media wannabes"
Not sure about the former but one is definately a comedian….
January 15, 2008 at 16:15 #135314I personally do not like to see people getting paid for their judgement only for their judgement not to be tested under the scutiny of some sort of adjudicator.
If you go to see an independent financial adviser and he wants to make an investment recommendation to you, he has to fill in wave after wave of justification before he can act
I am not reading this RP feature, but they are primarily journalists who are tipping arent they?
I couldnt even come close to agreeing with the main thrust of your argument, but this is nothing like the same thing as a IFA. The IFA isnt going to primarily employed to write entertaining articles about clearing banks and mortgages before offering you advice is he?
January 15, 2008 at 16:22 #135319"Racing tipsters put themselves up as experts "
No different to most walks of life, buy this record, buy this wine, buy these shoes, buy this car….. the list is endless. people claiming to be experts giving opinions on what you as a consumer should consider
"Why the moderator finds my opinion so strange is not surprising. Reading back all the threads on here this forum does seem to have a bias towards the media (some of whom even post under here without a nom de plume) and against the ordinary man in the street."
I think you may be surprised to find its not just the moderator but also this ordinary man on the street who think you’re opinions are strange.
Enough from me you’ll be glad to hear
January 15, 2008 at 16:36 #135328I quite like the notion that tipsters are well paid. Does anyone know how one goes about getting a position like this?
January 15, 2008 at 16:37 #135329Clivex, I would challenge you re: IFAs. The RP tipsters I have mentioned ARE primarily employed to provide tips. Pricewise, RPR, and TRading Post’s raison d’etre is guiding punters.
I would ask the people on here whether they would prefer the current system of no scrutiny and publishing of profit/loss acconuts of these tipping pages, or a system where total transparency is provided.
If anybody does not want the latter then they should give up.
If you agree to the former then why not use this forum to start a groundswell of support persuading the RP to operate a transparent system?
Alternatively (and it’s just a thought), ignore tipsters and decide things for yourself! You’ve got all the form at you’re disposal that they have at theirs. IMO, people who have such information available and still insist on putting their faith (and money) behind someone else’s take on it should be the ones to give up!
January 15, 2008 at 16:50 #135336I quite like the notion that tipsters are well paid. Does anyone know how one goes about getting a position like this?
Writing a load of bollox about racing seems to help most Smithy
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