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- December 3, 2006 at 20:30 #32408
Aranalde
Post of the century!:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
Mike
December 3, 2006 at 20:44 #32409Some excellent contributions to this thread .. I would like to see a real time demonstration of this in practice .. I am pretty sure that some of the people on here would be able to quickly build a model to simulate this.
I don’t actually think its right because of what Glenn says in his post and in the words of John McCrirrick yesterday after another successful hiest ..
McCririck added: "It’s so unfair on the whole country that starting prices no longer accurately reflect what you would take as the flag goes up on the course. I’m appalled at the way the new system is working."
Returning 4/9 on what should have been a 1/2 shot, thieving 6% for The Dark Lords.
December 3, 2006 at 20:58 #32410Wasn’t Alan Ridley private Godfrey in "Dads Army"?
I've stumbled on the side of twelve misty mountains
I've walked and I crawled on six crooked highwaysDecember 3, 2006 at 21:13 #32411Alan is Arnold’s older brother
December 3, 2006 at 21:50 #32412Okay, let’s say I decide to buy a pitch at Folkestone. So on the day I install my brand new joint when do I get slipped the brown envelope with the six winners? And by whom?
December 3, 2006 at 23:44 #32413Is this man for real? I am struggling through the Prologue now. It just needs Frankie Howerd to read it aloud to complete the farce.
I’ve just read about the first of the ‘Magnificent Seven’. So, Dettori was then an "up and coming jockey"? I thought that he’d upped and arrived by then.
And the bit about the "live market only active for a handful of minutes before the ‘off’" is absurd. This isn’t a cold wet wintry Tuesday at Wolverhampton where the bookmakers outnumber the sole punter; but this is Royal Ascot where the betting market becomes live as soon as the previous race has weighed in and even before the payout of the same has been completed.
And I can’t believe that in a market of the liquidity of Royal Ascot that Frankie’s horse moves from 5/2 to 7/4. To 9/4 maybe but that’s a hell of an assumption that it came in by over half a point.
So the bookmaker in the cheaper ring at Royal Ascot is standing there with a fag in his mouth and one minute before the off at Ascot when all hell is breaking loose with every punter wanting to get on on the first race and he’s got to stop in mid-mayhem, find the results of the Catford 1.58 and then, via some Masonic and Illuminatian mathematics, work out what is going to happen at Ascot. And all in his head.
I somehow think not.
One slight problem is that something always going wrong at various racecourses and dog tracks. The trap won’t open, a horse throws a plate, the dog has bitten the handler or ran off with the rabbit or there could be a delay because it’s Sandown which has never got race race off on time since the days of Mr Man. So, relying on the codekey from another meeting arriving moments before the off here at Royal Ascot is unlikely as hundreds of thousand pounds of liability would have already gone into the books.
And, what I want to know is how do the bookmakers at Catford know what’s going to win the 2.00 at Ascot and how are they going to relay the information to the on-course bookmakers at Royal Ascot? Why don’t they just put a coded message in the personal columns of The Times as per tradition?
December 4, 2006 at 00:06 #32414Page 66. "The human mind is like a sponge with its ability to soak up every sensory input available, and is one of the reasons why humans have such vivid, highly detailed dreams."
I’ll say.
December 4, 2006 at 07:43 #32415Dave Jay, kauto star sp 4/9 should have been 1/2, thieving 6% for the dark lord.
please explain
December 4, 2006 at 09:30 #32416OED says:
ridley (rid_lay) n. & adj. colloq. to be mental; to be as a nutter; not of sound mind; mad as a bag of ferrets
– I came over all Ridley<br>– he was fine living on his own until he went Ridley
phrase Tiddly bit Ridley attrib Arthur Askey 1936
Mike
December 4, 2006 at 09:41 #32417Love that one, betlarge.
How about:
as ridley as a brush<br>or, as ridley as a ship’s cat
December 4, 2006 at 09:58 #32418Authors use alias’s, outrageous unfounded statements could this be our literary friend ;).
Check for a double account Cormack:biggrin:
December 4, 2006 at 10:09 #32419barry dennis Posted on 7:43 am on Dec. 4, 2006 <br>Dave Jay, kauto star sp 4/9 should have been 1/2, thieving 6% for the dark lord.
please explain <br>
Of course Barry .. <br>I have a bet of £10K at 1/2 and I get £5K back which is 50% of my stake. My odds get cut to 4/9 and I only get £4,444 back or 44% of my stake.<br>Ok ?
December 4, 2006 at 14:58 #32420A very well done to LetsGetRacing (Dec. 3, 5:45pm), a dazzling display of initiative and follow-through. Yes, as LetsGetRacing investigatively states ‘The statements made at the URL below should, by rights, have you locked up’. Exactly! – The question is why not.
A high-ranking and once Betting Code sceptical Betfair official first raised this illogical immunity point shortly after the feint attack (see Introduction) began, spring 2005. The signature below says all that is necessary.
Forum members have a right to be angry that corporate encoded inside information marketing has become a de facto cartel policy, and one where gambling deregulation will only further embed cartel tentacles. The new SP system is a symptomatic example of clouding the defining moment of SP creation. John McCririck’s viewpoint (dave jay Dec. 3, 8:44pm) is also hard to ignore. As is Lydia Hislop’s (The Times, only three weeks ago) viewpoint on the new SP system, where, during her article research, she encountered a cartel stonewall when they discovered she was investigating changes to SP origination – in summing up her article she could not rule out ‘corruption’.
Solution, work and bet smarter as part of a team. (Where to start) Doing so, and (A day in the life of a betting codebreaking team) how to tips follow soon.
Alan Ridley<br>Author<br>
December 4, 2006 at 17:06 #32421And I am waiting with baited breath .. !<br>:biggrin: :cool:
December 4, 2006 at 18:29 #32422As is Lydia Hislop’s (The Times, only three weeks ago) viewpoint on the new SP system…. – in summing up her article she could not rule out ‘corruption’.
Evidence does not consist of inability to rule something out.
I mean, I cannot entirely rule out the chances of me receiving sexual favours from the two blonde girls who read the form at Beaulah Park. But it’s unlikely.
Having said that, the phone’s ringing.
Gotta go…
Mike
December 4, 2006 at 18:35 #32423Quote: from betlarge on 6:29 pm on Dec. 4, 2006[br]I mean, I cannot entirely rule out the chances of me receiving sexual favours from the two blonde girls who read the form at Beaulah Park.  But it’s unlikely.<br>Mike
I’d be careful there Mike ~ if there are any agents planted by "the man" to distract the willing punter away from the truth (and the truth will set you free, remember), it must be the Beulah Twins. Pure evil, brother.
December 4, 2006 at 20:08 #32424Malc Smith writes (Dec. 3, 11:44pm, page 5):
“And the bit about the "live market only active for a handful of minutes before the ‘off’" is absurd.  This isn’t a cold wet wintry Tuesday at Wolverhampton where the bookmakers outnumber the sole punter; but this is Royal Ascot where the betting market becomes live as soon as the previous race has weighed in and even before the payout of the same has been completed.â€ÂÂ
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