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A gutsy, determined performance from Rip Van Winkle – brave as a lion.
Will be very intriguing to see how he performs in the Breeder’s Cup Classic. He certainly isn’t without a chance.
As for being Europe’s best miler.
I would give that title to Goldikova.
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A gutsy, determined performance from Rip Van Winkle – brave as a lion.
Will be very intriguing to see how he performs in the Breeder’s Cup Classic. He certainly isn’t without a chance.
As for being Europe’s best miler.
I would give that title to Goldikova
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Agree with you on that, H.
Hard to look past her, really.
We witnessed last season with Henry and Ravens Pass that it’s not impossible for a horse to reverse form late on, despite early season dominance, and Rip would go there with every chance.
The difference is that STS has defeated RVW over eight, ten and twelve furlongs so decisively that Rip could only take revenge if STS seriously underperforms.
Zenyatta is a different proposition altogether. US jocks know the time of day with their eyes closed and if produced with her customary late burst, Sea The Stars, who doesn’t do a lot in front, might not have time to respond.
She poses the biggest danger to his unbeaten record this season.
It should be pointed out that went Sea The Stars beat RVW over a mile, Delegator and Gan Amhras did too, when Sea The Stars beat him over 12 furlongs so did Golden Sword and Masterofthehorse. The only genuine clash they have had was at Sandown when RVW give him a fight but STS proved just too good.
A gutsy, determined performance from Rip Van Winkle – brave as a lion.
Will be very intriguing to see how he performs in the Breeder’s Cup Classic. He certainly isn’t without a chance.
As for being Europe’s best miler.
I would give that title to Goldikova
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Agree with you on that, H.
Hard to look past her, really.
We witnessed last season with Henry and Ravens Pass that it’s not impossible for a horse to reverse form late on, despite early season dominance, and Rip would go there with every chance.
The difference is that STS has defeated RVW over eight, ten and twelve furlongs so decisively that Rip could only take revenge if STS seriously underperforms.
Zenyatta is a different proposition altogether. US jocks know the time of day with their eyes closed and if produced with her customary late burst, Sea The Stars, who doesn’t do a lot in front, might not have time to respond.
She poses the biggest danger to his unbeaten record this season.
Very surprised by the reaction on here. Just looks to me like a pretty decent horse who’s just outstayed Paco Boy and Zacinto in the final furlong. Can’t have him as a superstar for a second.
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Don’t talk shyte Zark..ffs he’s without doubt one of the best milers in the last 10 years.
This is a horse who was asked to run in the Epsom Derby over a distance 4f beyond his best….a horse AOB thought depsite the distance being totally unsuitable could still perhaps win………a horse that was cantering all over Sea the Stars in the Eclipse2 1/2 furlongf from home.
If he and Sea the Stars met in the next fortnight over 1 mile Rip would tear him a new asshole. That’s how good he is!
I’m shocked anyone thinks this is some sort of moderate animal……this horse despite being unsound at the best of times is the best miler in the world as far as I’m concerned
Rip Van Winkle ran a superb race today….did all the donkey work for the rest and still won cosily enough.
I think they need to stick a pacemaker in there for the Breeders Cup as he won’t be able to do that sort of tactic in America.
Zacinto ran a cracker and be interesting if he can win the Champion Stakes but it seems that no Irish horse will be involved so its going to be extremly weak race unless Mastercraftsman runs or sumthing.
Strange feeling Grand Ducal will run a cracker in the race for some reason
Gan Amhras is being aimed at the Champion Stakes and runs tomoro.
If he can’t win that conditions race i think Bolger would need to shake himself out big time and see what he has done wrong with this horse
Don’t talk shyte Zark..ffs he’s without doubt one of the best milers in the last 10 years.
Fist, given your recent action in your Notebook thread, I think I’ll still clear of your judgements. Glass Harmonium Group 1 horse next year, Canford Cliffs best 2yo ever or whatever it was, Tryst the future Cambridgeshire winner, etc. Your judgements this year have been utter crap, so please don’t come on here giving one of your usual lectures because you’re just embarrassing yourself even further.
One of the best milers in the last 10 years ffs, for doing what? Beating a horse who hasn’t even won a Group race? Outstaying a 7f horse over a mile? Twice I might add.
Rock of Gibraltar, Henrythenavigator, Goldikova – they’re the proper Group 1 milers, the horses who prove themselves time and time again, against the best.
Very surprised by the reaction on here. Just looks to me like a pretty decent horse who’s just outstayed Paco Boy and Zacinto in the final furlong. Can’t have him as a superstar for a second.
Absolutely – although that should take nothing away from STS, who only ever did enough when beating RVW….every time.
If he and Sea the Stars met in the next fortnight over 1 mile Rip would tear him a new asshole. That’s how good he is!
On what evidence, Fist? That you think the horse is ‘still improving’ and all that? From what I’ve seen, RVW would simply give STS a lead over a mile, that’s all, and probably wouldn’t be able to go fast enough for STS.
STS has too much pace over a mile and stays further, on given evidence.
If he and Sea the Stars met in the next fortnight over 1 mile Rip would tear him a new asshole. That’s how good he is!
Now you talk a lot of nonesense when it comes to flat racing Fist but this one takes the cake. You have been so obsessed to talk down STS all season that you come up with this gem.
As for RVW being the best miler in the world, based on that performance?. I hope that is not what you are trying to tell us. You need to lay off that Thai weed. Really.
I do hope you are better at the jumps game your "insights" on flat racing are nothing short of mind numbing at times.
People are putting too much emphasis on the finishing visuals of the race. The successful attempt here was beating the finish out of the field. Last season HTN and Ravens Pass stayed about 9 lengths off the lead in a pocket, and took it up from about 1 1/2 – 1 3/4 out. RVW kept up front with the pace, and took it from just over 2 1/2 out, so he obviously wasn’t intended for preserving energy for a speedier finish. It once again showed his class over the trip, at a strong pace.
Next time he runs will be over 10F in a flat race, where he will be able to demonstrate a different tool in his make-up. This time he will be sitting behind the leaders, who will go off at a fast gallop so no pace makers will be required. Next time he will use more speed in his finish as he will be crusing round that final bend then going for it, like Curlin last year except he will have a better end product.
I hope all goes well, because i’ve earmarked this horse as a BC winner for quite a few months now.
Goldikova should have turned up for this if she wanted to be known as a superstar at a mile, instead they went back to 7f for next Saturday’s Foret then back to challenge for the Mile at Santa Anita while Rip Van Winkle goes for the big one.
Goldikova’s big wins were blasting away Aqlaam and Kip Deville, and people used Aqlaam’s G1 win over in France to testify these claims, but at least Aqlaam put a brave bid when he was blasted away by Goldikova but today he was beat so bad Hills had to surrender, there is no doubt Goldikova would have been seriously tested here and I believe it damages her claims to be up there with RoG and the likes, to be the best miler you have to turn up to the QEII and not the 7f Foret.
She is obviously very good but its a shame we will never know who will be the better out of the two
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You lot are as dumb as they come..Are you trying to tell me Rip Van Winkle hasn’t improved from the 2 1/2 lengths he was deafeated in the Guineas…….or that Sea the Stars is a top miler?
Sea the Stars won the Guineas because he was a stone in front of Rip Van Winkle at the time……..so what did he beat? wasn’t it Delegator or am I a friggin idiot?……..1 1/2 lengths the winning distance.
That’s 3 lengths less than Rip beat the same horse today after his trainer stated he’s a much better horse now than he was in the Guineas.
Never mind we all know the form book lies when it suits you
Sea the Stars best trip without a shadow of a doubt is 1m2f……would you say it’s Mastercraftsman’s best trip? I wouldn’t……..or maybe you think Fame and Glory’s best trip is 1m2f…….I most certainly don’t think it is.
Or maybe when Rip Van Winkle came cruising up behind Sea the Stars in the Eclipse you thought he got the trip…….I didn’t and neither did Murtagh who said later they had been running the horse at the wrong trip.
I honsetly think STS needed every yard of the 1m2f when he beat MCC and a mile is not his trip……..6 months ago RVW was not the horse he is today and I doubt very much if Oxx would fancy his chances of coming anywhere near confirning that 2lengths plus he beat him in the Guineas….AOB reckons he’s the best he’s ever had and I’m begining to think he could be right……..Horse wasn’t anywhere near stoked up to win today… wasn’t even a real race.
Thanks for taking the trouble to reply to my question Equitrack. It is appreciated.
I was going to write a long, rambling post, but I’ll leave it at that.
You should ask AOB for a job, Fist
The only thing absent from your posts is a mention of the July Cup.
You seem to think the whole of flat racing evolves around RVW.
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