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You lot are as dumb as they come.
Nah, not as much as this guy. This guy takes the biscuit.
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July 19th
I work on a points sytem and pets range from 500pts to 6000pts
August 22nd
900,000 pts win Canford Cliffs at 4/9
Please stop your pathetic lectures now. Your posts have become like google ads. People just scroll past them since they do nothing but take up space and look extremely ugly. You know nothing about flat racing. Come back in November and maybe, just maybe, you might get something right.
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Don’t talk shyte Zark..ffs he’s without doubt one of the best milers in the last 10 years.
Fist, given your recent action in your Notebook thread, I think I’ll still clear of your judgements. Glass Harmonium Group 1 horse next year, Canford Cliffs best 2yo ever or whatever it was, Tryst the future Cambridgeshire winner, etc. Your judgements this year have been utter crap, so please don’t come on here giving one of your usual lectures because you’re just embarrassing yourself even further.
One of the best milers in the last 10 years ffs, for doing what? Beating a horse who hasn’t even won a Group race? Outstaying a 7f horse over a mile? Twice I might add.
Rock of Gibraltar, Henrythenavigator, Goldikova – they’re the proper Group 1 milers, the horses who prove themselves time and time again, against the best.
If ou had a brain you would be a worthy advesary but you mention Rock of Gibraltar and Henrythenavigator trained by the very man who trains Rip Van Winkle…….the very man who said 3 days ago Rip Van Winkle is the best horse weve ever had at Ballydoyle………But hey you’re the great Zarkava what would Aiden know in comparison to you
fookin idiotThe very man who said 3 days ago Rip Van Winkle is the best horse weve ever had at Ballydoyle………But hey you’re the great Zarkava what would Aiden know in comparison to you
fookin idiotDidn’t you get the Horse Racing Amateur pack? Look on page 3.
– Be warned that Aidan O’Brien calls every Group 1 winner he has ‘the best we’ve ever had’ and says that ‘we could run him/her in the July Cup’
You really are a sucker for trainers’ comments, it’s quite pathetic.
Suppose you believe Galileo would have won the July Cup since he was given an entry for it by Aidan…ffs he called Henrythenavigator the best horse he’s trained last year, said the same about Dylan Thomas the year before. Listening to his interviews and comments is an utter waste of time.
Don’t talk shyte Zark..ffs he’s without doubt one of the best milers in the last 10 years.
Fist, given your recent action in your Notebook thread, I think I’ll still clear of your judgements. Glass Harmonium Group 1 horse next year, Canford Cliffs best 2yo ever or whatever it was, Tryst the future Cambridgeshire winner, etc. Your judgements this year have been utter crap, so please don’t come on here giving one of your usual lectures because you’re just embarrassing yourself even further.
One of the best milers in the last 10 years ffs, for doing what? Beating a horse who hasn’t even won a Group race? Outstaying a 7f horse over a mile? Twice I might add.
Rock of Gibraltar, Henrythenavigator, Goldikova – they’re the proper Group 1 milers, the horses who prove themselves time and time again, against the best.
If ou had a brain you would be a worthy advesary but you mention Rock of Gibraltar and Henrythenavigator trained by the very man who trains Rip Van Winkle…….the very man who said 3 days ago Rip Van Winkle is the best horse weve ever had at Ballydoyle………But hey you’re the great Zarkava what would Aiden know in comparison to you
fookin idiotBut didn’t you say that when jockeys/trainers say ‘they are the best they have ever ridden/trained’ it’s just said to increase their stud value?
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You trying to spoil my fun?
I did say that and had RVW won the 2000 Guineas and Derby I would expect to hear something along those lines come out of Ballydoyle but this seems somewhat genuine to me.He could have said it about Mastercraftsman or Fame and Glory especially as the latter won a classic……..I think the man truly believes this horse is very special and by the end of the season we will see why
I think comparisons can be made between the way Rip Van Winkle beat Zacinto today and the manner in which STS beat RVW in the Eclipse.
Rip Van Winkle is a good horse. A great horse? Time will tell I suppose. The facts are though he is not a great miler. He does not have the breeding to be a great miler and the fact he has won his last 2 at a mile says more about his superiority over his opponents rather than his superiority at the distance. His breeding points more in the direction of a 1m2f/1m4f horse and this is evident in the way Murtagh has used him in his last 2 outings. He doesnt win his races with a blistering turn of foot but rather by setting sail for home from a long way out and outstaying his opponents. He deserves credit for his last 2 victories but would be seen in much better light over further now he has rediscovered his winning form.
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Ben Aitken
I think comparisons can be made between the way Rip Van Winkle beat Zacinto today and the manner in which STS beat RVW in the Eclipse.
That’s a fair analogy, Rob.
STS toyed with RVW the same way RVW did with Zacinto.
Lads, Sea The Stars isn’t going to run over a mile again and more than likely Rip Van Winkle won’t either so the debate over who is the better miler is fairly pointless.
Sea The Stars has beaten Rip Van Winkle on three seperate occasions and should they both line up in America STS would be a deserving favourite. However, the penny does seem to have finally dropped with the Ripper and they’ve finally figured out how to ride him since Sandown. Don’t forget that it was Jimmy Fortune that rode him in the Eclipse and Johnny has said that he takes a bit of knowing and is a difficult ride. I suspect the result would have been the same had Johnny been riding but it is an interesting argument nonetheless.
I suspect both horses optimum trip is 1m2 so should STS win next weekend without much fuss, it really sets it up nicely. I’ve loved STS since day one when I saw him make his racecourse debut at Leopardstown and his win at Newmarket provided me with my biggest ever payday on the flat. I’d worry about him against RVW in the Classic though. That race tends to go to a grinder who can lie up with the pace and beat them all off from the front. It will suit RVW down to the ground and in theory he should be a fresher horse than STS – should make for an interesting few weeks of debate ahead.
That race tends to go to a grinder who can lie up with the pace and beat them all off from the front. It will suit RVW down to the ground and in theory he should be a fresher horse than STS .
Ravens Pass wasn’t exactly a ‘grinder’, whereas the champion grinder and favourite, Curlin, was well beat on the surface they’ll be using again (pro-ride).
I was surprised to see exactly how small RVW actually is, and you know what they say about ‘good big ones’ and ‘good small ones’ especially when the small one has a poorer constitution to racing….
STS will let things all unfold in front of him, before sauntering past his rivals….again.
The Arc will be an appetiser before the main course
Oxx has said Tsui doesn’t want him running in both, I’d say he wont be going to California.
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That race tends to go to a grinder who can lie up with the pace and beat them all off from the front. It will suit RVW down to the ground and in theory he should be a fresher horse than STS .
Ravens Pass wasn’t exactly a ‘grinder’, whereas the champion grinder and favourite, Curlin, was well beat on the surface they’ll be using again (pro-ride).
I was surprised to see exactly how small RVW actually is, and you know what they say about ‘good big ones’ and ‘good small ones’ especially when the small one has a poorer constitution to racing….
STS will let things all unfold in front of him, before sauntering past his rivals….again.
The Arc will be an appetiser before the main course
If Sea the Stars does run twice more or even once more I doubt if he’ll be sauntering past his rivals. I hope he, from a sporting point of view if not financial one, wins the Arc but I just can’t see it being the walk in the park people think it will be.
It happens time and time again in racing when the real big one comes round and something runs miles better than we expect. Horses you can’t imagine being beaten get turned over in the latter part of the season and excuses are always made for them. Mostly they simply weren’t as good as we thought
Lester Piggot praised Sea the Stars this week and puts him up there with Nijinsky……that would have cost the reporter 2O quid a word
…That is some compliment from a man with no axe to grindMy worry is the trip and it’s fine to say he won the Derby but stamina was not an issue at Epsom. Whether AOB was rightly accused of setting the pace to suit Rip Van Winkle or not is open to debate but the way the race turned out they played straight into Sea the Star’s hands. Although the overall time of the race may not show it the first 5 furlongs was so slow a selling plater would have kept with them according to what I have read. The race never really started in earnest until they came flying down the hill and with his speed that was right up STS’s street.
The Arc will be run nothing like that and if you could get a bet on the track record being beaten it would probably be worth a punt.
AOB tried these tactics before and failed at 1m2f but with horses that I honestly feel were not running at their ultimate trips. Mind you the way Sea the Stars won those races that factor takes nothing away from him as a horse, it just makes AOB look a little bit like a desperado.
I doubt if he will change tactics in the Arc as Fame and Glory is a better stayer than he is a speed horse and they will expect him to give Sea the Stars a better race this time. However he does look to be just that little bit one paced and it might not be him that reeps the benefits. If of course anything does.
When you see 11/10 Sea The Stars 10/1 bar it looks easy for the champ but when they come thundering round the home turn that means didly when it comes to the Arc. There’s a few horses like Sariska, Vision D and Getaway who are well capable of doing a Youzmain to running an absolute blinder and ever causing an upset.
I still believe Conduit to be absolute top class and better than most people give him credit for. His Leger win was as impressive but his win in the Breeders was that of a really top class animal.
Soldier of Fortune had run out of his skin in the Arc and was beaten about 2 lengths by Zarkava. Fav to win the Breeders he led them into the straight but you would have had your house on Eagle Mountain who was absolutely running away with his jockey…Conduit was at least 6 lengths behind one minute and the next flew past them like they were trees. Very much in the same fashion as Zarkava had beaten SOF.
The interesting thing about that race is not just what he beat it’s the way the way the race was run that grabs the attention.
A typical strong AOB pace played straight into Conduits hands and brought the very best out in the horse. Not only did Conduit make up an amazing amount of ground to win he also set a new Stakes record. Horses that are not top class don’t do things like that.
I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that the Conduit is a massive danger to Sea the Stars.
The Eclipse result will have the Sea the Stars die hards arguing he’s not in the same class but Lonchamp isn’t Sandown, it isn’t 10 furlongs, July isn’t October and Conduit is not an AOB 3 year old chasing a rainbow at an unsuitable trip. I certainly don’t see their current prices as anything like a true reflection of their respective chances.
The only way to beat a horse like Sea the Stars is to come from behind late and hard and that’s what Conduit is good at….Sea the Stars may well beat him but it won’t be by 5 lengths and there won’t be any sauntering you can bet your life Mick Kinane won’t be trying any Jamie Spencer fancy stuff. When he goes he’ll ask STS for everything he’s got and won’t let up until he’s past the post.
It’s one helluva hard race to win the Arc and absolutely everything is in Conduit’s favour. He’ll love the strong gallop, it’s his time of year, SMS says he’s on brilliant form, the trip is perfect and he has the powerpacked finish it takes to win an Arc…….because of these factors I make him by far the toughest opponent Sea the Stars has faced to date.
I always said the true test of a champion comes in the 2nd half of the season and stick by that.
Some would argue STS is one the best 10 furlong horse of all time and I wouldn’t be prepared to dispute that….His last performance will be talked about for many years as one of the best of all time….Now if he can produce that same form in the Arc against a 4 year old who is without doubt top class and as good as anything Zarkava herself beat then who’s to say Lester isn’t spot on.
200 guineas sea the stars beat delegator who is a 7f horse
derby : cant judge no pace
eclipse : beat rip van winkle who is best over mile , conduit best over 1m4f
juddmonte : beat mastercratsman who is a pure miler and didnt stay the trip
irish champion stakes : beat fag who is a 1m4f and master didnt stay againsts biggest test will be the arc for sure now
Rip Van Winkle certainly looks a more sollid, robust and definitely more mature looking horse than he did when he lined up for the 2,000 guineas at Newmarket.
I backed Zacinto the time before when he was beaten failrly and squarely by Delegator; in the belief that he needed every inch of the mile and was still improving – and that Delegator would have his stamina limitations exposed.
I was wrong, but in hindsight, I think the easier Goodwood mile had a huge bearing on the outcome. If only that particular race had been run on a more stiffer track like Ascot.
For arguments sake, had Goldikova run yesterday, instead of Rip Van Winkle, I am quite sure that she would have beaten Zacinto, Delegator, Aqlaam et al with even more authority than Rip Van Winkle did. To me, she looks easier on the eye and travels even more smoothly during her races than the O’Brien colt. That is by no means a criticism of Rip Van Winkle, merely an observation/opinion.
I also believe that she also would have won had she faced the winner yesterday.
Mark her down as a nap for next saturday – and to repeat her Breeder’s Cup mile win when she later travels to America.
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Oxx has said Tsui doesn’t want him running in both, I’d say he wont be going to California.
That makes sense and I don’t see the logic in running STS in both the Arc and BC.
Dancing Brave went for both. He ran like a buckled wheel in the BC and never showed his true colours. The long, arduous season appeared to have caught up with him.This horse so deserves the owner and trainer that he has, who have the utmost respect for him. I’m sure that he could have won races on softer ground, but he may not have won again; not only are they looking after him physically, but they are keeping him happy. I don’t want this season to end because of this horse, and I want so much for him to win next weekend, but it always seems such a hard run tactical race and anything could happen.
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So Rip Van Winkle is back to being a superstar then, Fist?
There’s no doubt that he has improved since the 2000 Guineas, but to suggest that he’s suddenly Sea The Stars’s superior over any trip is misguided at best. The champion elect has shown, time after time, that he’s capable of travelling and quickening off any pace, over any distance, and will still find if something dares to challenge him. The overall effect of those three attributes doesn’t diminish and given how stiff the mile is at Ascot I don’t, in all seriousness, think he’d have succumbed to Rip Van Winkle, especially if he’d have set the pace he did.
What yesterday’s race proved was that a) Goldikova isn’t as far ahead in the miling division as many might have expected, and b) that Sea The Stars is an absolute feckin’ monster.
fookin idiot
I did say that and had RVW won the 2000 Guineas and Derby I would expect to hear something along those lines come out of Ballydoyle but this seems somewhat genuine to me.
…That is some compliment from a man with no axe to grind
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