Prix de L’Arc de Triomphe 2009

[Gingertipster]

Whichever horse is best, that is a crazy arguement. Not up to your usual standard. Is Looks Like Trouble better than Kauto Star? Just because Noel Chance’s horse ran the 3m 2f 110yrds at Cheltenham, faster than Nicholls Star.

Times are generally to do with, how fast the going is, what the early pace is, wind speed and direction. Ability is only a small part of the equation. It is difficult enough to compare times on the same day, let alone 25 years apart. John Oxx has been at pains to run STS on a firm, fast surface.

Neither is it like you, Gingertipster, not to see that I was being slightly ironic, as you were the one who was previously rather fond of citing race times as a more accurate guide to gauge one horse against another – whereas I am sure I stated that there are many factors which must be taken into consideration.

You often used Sea Bird’s slower times as stick with which to beat him – so where is the consistency in your arguments, or for that matter, your remonstrations. But I agree, race times are not the be all and end all – nor should they be – though many Dancing Brave enthusiasts are prone to using this device on a regular basis by which to boost his "greatness", whilst, at the same time, denigrating other great horses – hence my ironic comment, vis-a – vis Sea The Stars.

Even so, and allowing for that, I would have to place STS above the great Harwood colt.

Ian Balding, who until the other day, would not so much as entertain the idea that Mill Reef had any superiors, has now gone on record to say that he now firmly believes that Sea The Stars is the best he has ever seen – although he did admit that he did not see Ribot or Sea Bird’s Arc wins.

We all have our favourites Gingertipster. I’m sure you do too. Of course it is impossible to know for certain which horse would have come out on top and who truly was the best of all. The same arguments prevail among fans of other sports – the best golfer, best racing driver, best tennis player, best footballer etc.

If only we had a time machine, eh?

Does anyone have Dr Who’s phone number?

Irony eh.
Realised it was "slightly" ironic Himself, but (imo) it had no basis at all in logic, never mind. I don’t think we are that far apart in our calculations anyway.

Can’t remember citing times as a more accurate guide to a horse’s individual ability. Certainly never mentioned Sea Bird’s times and consider him the best middle distance horse of his generation. So I think you are confusing me with someone else.
We agree Himself, times are just one of many weapons to evaluate ability.

In this thread I said there were no record times left from the 60’s. So if as a GROUP, present day horses are capable of running times faster than those 45 years ago; it is probable that the best horses in this era are capable of running faster times than 45 years ago.

Emotion for thumbs up.

Mark

Value Is Everything

[andyod]

Where can I find the breeding of Sea the Stars? Please.

[BenAitken]

You can find Sea The Stars 5 generation pedigree here –

http://www.pedigreequery.com/sea+the+stars

Regards

[weejoe81]

Good compilation robertob, throughly enjoyed it

[robertob]

Thank you.

[Chris B]

Cracking video Rob, absolutely top notch. Great picture quality on all the races. There is a similar version but without the Arc, and the picture quality is poor.

Well done for that, great viewing.

Thanks,

Chris.

[andyod]

Thanks Ben.

[Chris B]

Hi,

Please can somebody point me in the direction of the full result from the Arc – showing each horse’s number. I took some photos and I know horse 1 was Youmzain, horse 2 was Conduit, but I am not sure who was 3 and 4?

I have looked on Sporting Life, BBC, At The Races, and Racing Post, and none of these websites show the full result listing every horse that ran, and it’s number..

Regards,

Chris.

[robertob]

I think this should help:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Prix_ … av=results

[Chris B]

I think this should help:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Prix_ … av=results

That link doesn’t work. But thanks for trying. I searched on Wikipedia for the full result, but it still doesn’t show what numbers the horses were..

I just need to find out who numbers 3 and 4 were, so I can put their names to the photos I took in the parade ring..

[robertob]

Oh sorry, your right. But maybe this link could help you:
http://www2.france-galop.com/FGWeb/doma … .aspx?L=en

Take the 4. Oct. and look for Longchamp in the following card, then the Arc and then you will find the full result.

[Chris B]

Oh sorry, your right. But maybe this link could help you:
http://www2.france-galop.com/FGWeb/doma … .aspx?L=en

Take the 4. Oct. and look for Longchamp in the following card, then the Arc and then you will find the full result.

Bingo. 10 points for Rob

Thanks!

[Anonymous]

Widerteins

Magadan

Blue with white cap was number 4 on the card and

Vision D’Etat

Stripes was number 3 Chris.

[Anonymous]

late again

[andyod]

Place * Horse PMU Sire / Dam Margin Owner Trainer Jockey Weight Purse Own’prem Breed’premium Suppl. Blink. Coupled A réclamer by Breeders
01 P2 sea the stars ire m.ps. 3 ans 18 Par: CAPE CROSS et URBAN SEA (MISWAKI) 2 LONGUEURS CHRISTOPHER TSUI J. OXX MICHAEL J. KINANE 56 kg 2.285.600 SUNDERLAND HOLDING INC.
02 P2 youmzain ire m.ps. 6 ans 01 Par: SINNDAR et SADIMA (SADLER’S WELLS) TETE JABEER ABDULLAH MR. CHANNON KIEREN-FRANCIS FALLON 59,5kg 914.400 O F. DUNNE
03 P2 cavalryman gb m.ps. 3 ans 16 Par: HALLING et SILVERSWORD (HIGHEST HONOR) TETE GODOLPHIN SNC A. FABRE LANFRANCO DETTORI 56 kg 457.200 S DARLEY STUD MANAGEMENT CO. LTD
04 P2 conduit ire m.ps. 4 ans 02 Par: DALAKHANI et WELL HEAD (SADLER’S WELLS) UNE LONGUEUR BALLYMACOLL STUD FARM LTD SIR MR. STOUTE RYAN-LEE MOORE 59,5kg 228.400 BALLYMACOLL STUD FARM LTD
05 P2 dar re mi gb f.ps. 4 ans 10 Par: SINGSPIEL et DARARA (TOP VILLE) UNE LONGUEUR LORD LLOYD WEBBER J. GOSDEN JIMMY FORTUNE 58 kg 114.400 WATERSHIP DOWN STUD
06 P2 fame and glory gb m.ps. 3 ans 15 Par: MONTJEU et GRYADA (SHIRLEY HEIGHTS) 1/2 LONGUEUR D.SMITH/MME J.MAGNIER/M.TABOR AP. O’BRIEN JOHN-PATRICK MURTAGH 56 kg 1 PTARMIGAN BLOODSTOCK LTD,MLLE K. RAUSING
07 P2 la boum ger f.ps. 6 ans 12 Par: MONSUN et LA BOUCHE (IN THE WINGS) 3/4 LONGUEURS EMMANUEL TRUSSARDI R. COLLET (S) THIERRY JARNET 58 kg GESTUT KARLSHOF
07 P2 stacelita f.ps. 3 ans 19 Par: MONSUN et SOIGNEE (DASHING BLADE) 3/4 LONGUEURS M.SCHWARTZ/ECURIE MONASTIC JC. ROUGET (S) CHRISTOPHE SOUMILLON 54,5kg S JPJ. DUBOIS
09 P2 magadan ire m.ps. 4 ans 04 Par: HIGH CHAPARRAL et MOLASSES (MACHIAVELLIAN) 1/2 LONGUEUR ECURIE WILDENSTEIN E. LELLOUCHE ANTHONY CRASTUS 59,5kg KILCARN STUD
10 P2 vision d’etat m.ps. 4 ans 03 Par: CHICHICASTENANGO et UBERABA (GARDE ROYALE) JACQUES DETRE E. LIBAUD OLIVIER PESLIER 59,5kg G. GILLES
— P2 the bogberry usa m.ps. 4 ans 05 Par: HAWK WING et LAHINCH (DANEHILL DANCER) SERGEY EFROS A.DE ROYER DUPRE MAGOMET A. KAPPUSHEV 59,5kg MARCH THOROUGHBREDS
— P1 steele tango usa m.ps. 4 ans 06 Par: OKAWANGO et WALTZING AROUND (ELA MANA MOU) THE THIRTY ACRE RACING PARTNER RA. TEAL DARRYLL-PAUL HOLLAND 59,5kg T. ZWIESLER
— P2 getaway ger m.ps. 6 ans 07 Par: MONSUN et GUERNICA (UNFUWAIN) BARON GEORG VON ULLMANN J. HIRSCHBERGER STEPHANE PASQUIER 59,5kg BARON G.VON ULLMANN
— TULLAMORE USA M.PS. 4 ans 08 Par: THEATRICAL et BUNGALOW (LORD AVIE) YOKO CZ S.R.O. Z. KOPLIK VACLAV JANACEK 59,5kg HL. VANIER,MME N. VANIER, THEATRICAL SYNDICATE
— P2 hot six brz m.ps. 4 ans 09 Par: BUROOJ et BABYSIX (WITH APPROVAL) ESTRELA ENERGIA STABLES G. DUARTE TIAGO JOSUE PEREIRA 59 kg HARAS J.B. BARROS
— P2 tangaspeed f.ps. 4 ans 11 Par: VERTICAL SPEED et FITANGA (FIJAR TANGO) R.PIRES/MME L.GAGNEUX ROB. LAPLANCHE IORITZ MENDIZABAL 58 kg MME L. GAGNEUX
— P2 beheshtam m.ps. 3 ans 13 Par: PEINTRE CELEBRE et BEHKARA (KRIS) S.A. AGA KHAN A.DE ROYER DUPRE GERALD MOSSE 56 kg S.A. AGA KHAN
— P1 set sail ire m.ps. 3 ans 14 Par: DANEHILL DANCER et AHDAAB (RAHY) D.SMITH/M.TABOR/MME J.MAGNIER AP. O’BRIEN S.M. LEVEY 56 kg 1 LYNCH-BAGES LTD, SAMAC LTD
— P2 grand ducal ire m.ps. 3 ans 17 Par: DANEHILL DANCER et MOOD SWINGS (SHIRLEY HEIGHTS) MME MAGNIER/M.TABOR/D.SMITH AP. O’BRIEN PATRICK JOSEPH SMULLEN 56 kg

You will have to read it slowly to get the data you want.left column the places right the No.

[Chris B]

Thanks guys, I’ll post some pics later.

[darren83]

There was a letter in the Racingpost today saying that STS should not of won the Arc based on stoping Getaway on the rail.And with the controvlsey in the Vermile what do you guys think did STS block Getaway.

[Author]

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