May 12, 2007 at 09:51 #1644
Put the following horses in order for a race run now at a mile at Newmarket on good to firm going, and assuming that all the horses are fit and well:
Arch Swing<br>Cockney Rebel<br>Dutch Art<br>Finsceal Beo<br>Simply Perfect<br>Teofilo <br>Vital EquineMay 12, 2007 at 09:53 #58802
…with fillies getting an allowance
1 Finsceal Beo<br>2 Teofilo<br>3 Cockney Rebel<br>4 Arch Swing<br>5 Dutch Art<br>6 Vital Equine<br>7 Simply PerfectMay 12, 2007 at 09:56 #58803
Teofilo<br>Finsceal Beo<br>Cockney Rebel<br>Dutch Art<br>Arch Swing<br>Vital Equine<br>Simply Perfect
Credit to Bolger for turning out Finsceal Beo so quickly. Much more to lose than to gain by running I think.May 12, 2007 at 10:51 #58806seabirdParticipant
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Teofilo<br>Finsceal Beo<br>Dutch Art<br>Cockney Rebel<br>Arch Swing<br>Vital Equine<br>Simply PerfectMay 12, 2007 at 11:14 #58808guskennedyMember
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Quote: from davidjohnson on 10:56 am on May 12, 2007[br]Credit to Bolger for turning out Finsceal Beo so quickly. Much more to lose than to gain by running I think.
Credit, indeed. There was some adverse comment when Bolger opted to run FB in the Rockfel last autumn soon after her win in the Boussac but she actually enhanced her reputation in the Rockfel and she would certainly do so again if she were to win on Sunday and then take the Irish race.
I can’t split Cockney Rebel and Finsceal Beo. Third is Vital Equine then there’s a tie between Teofilo and Dutch Art. Arch Swing is next followed by Simply Perfect.May 12, 2007 at 11:59 #58810Lovely LadyMember
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We ought to wait for the French races at Longchamp tomorrow before forming a more concrete opinion, however how anyone can put a 3yo who hasn’t raced this season at the top of their list – heaven knows !May 12, 2007 at 18:32 #58812
The point was to ask people this question BEFORE the added clues of the French races!May 12, 2007 at 20:36 #58813Gareth FlynnParticipant
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Your list looks about right, Prufrock – I’d only maybe switch Arch Swing and Dutch Art.May 13, 2007 at 11:47 #58815MauriceParticipant
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Dutch Art<br>Finsceal Beo<br>Teofilo<br>Arch Swing<br>Cockney Rebel<br>Simply Perfect<br>Vital Equine
But the next racecourse evidence might well see Teofilo back in front.May 13, 2007 at 12:37 #58816
What is the general consensus about whether there was any draw bias? Or if not a draw bias as such, an advantage in racing in the low group because of the way the race was run. Initially I was thinking there was little in it, but on reviewing my figures, of those that could be described as ‘running their race’ to a certain degree, I had Dutch Art 4 lb below form, US Ranger 5 lb, Strategic Prince 6 lb, Haatef 10 lb, Yellowstone 4 lb and Tobosa 9 lb. Although arguably Tobosa and Haatef possibly didn’t stay, you could argue that on average, that that bunch were 2 lengths worse off with the low-drawn group. Food for thought when it comes to the Irish Guineas and St James Palace perhaps?May 13, 2007 at 14:28 #58817MauriceParticipant
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Bear in mind, you’d expect them to be brought to a peak for this race and for the principals to improve on previous form.
My figures say the far side were disadvantaged to the tune of about four lengths.
1. _ Dutch Art <br>2.1Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¼ US Ranger<br>3.1Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¼ Strategic Prince<br>4.1Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¾ Haatef
If that was the result on the day, in the time that the far side achieved relative to the other races over there, it would be hailed a top, top Guineas.
On times, Dutch Art works out 17lbs (before the 13lbs wfa) faster than Beaver Patrol (RPR 102), who also raced on the far side, and 31lbs (+wfa) faster than Wannabe Posh (RPR 99+), the winner of the last.
(Edited by Maurice at 3:30 pm on May 13, 2007)May 13, 2007 at 15:50 #58819LingfieldMember
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With the benefit of hindsight, any rethinks after the French 1000?May 13, 2007 at 15:58 #58820empty walletMember
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Quote: from Lingfield on 4:50 pm on May 13, 2007[br]With the benefit of hindsight, any rethinks after the French 1000?
<br>Not really, but before and after the French 2000 the omission of Creachadoir from list was/is shocking :biggrin:
(Edited by empty wallet at 5:00 pm on May 13, 2007)May 13, 2007 at 16:12 #58822
On which piece of form prior to today could Creachadoir be rated higher than 111/112?
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