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  • #12405
    Avatar photothehorsesmouth
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    I can’t stress enough how big a Goldikova fan I am, but her price here is very poor in my opinion. She should take all the beating though.

    Never On Sunday is good value at 12/1. He has very solid Group 1 form and I think he could be there-abouts.

    I don’t know how anyone could backe Gladiatorus after his shocking run last time (that’s not to say he won’t win :wink: ).

    Others that deserve a mention are Silver Frost, Aqlaam, and Irian who I think could run a good race.

    #244081
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    All depends what price you get. I got

    Goldikova

    at evens. There are some handy sorts in the race though, and she’s had a couple of runs recently. I think

    Silver Frost

    is very handy at 6/1, and if i had anything spare in the betting i’d throw them in a forecast. SF will like this distance, and in my humble opinion is the biggest danger.

    Good luck.

    #244089
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    I considered having a lrage bet on the favourite but I thought naaa!

    Never on Sunday ran a cracker last time and likes to come of the pace and he’ll have plenty of that. 12/1 is too big.

    What really put me of is the presence of Gladiatorus. Anyone who thinks that was his true running at Ascot should think again. A lot of Saroor’s horses were running miles below their best at that time and now thy are running out their skin.

    This horse was rated the best in the world. Rightly or wrongly it’s very dangerous to dismiss him on one bad run.

    I may well have a small interest on Gladiatorus and Frankie. If the horse takes to the track and runs to his best he must go very close.

    #244091
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    Prix Du Haras De Fresnay-Le-Buffard Jacques Le Marois (Group 1) (3yo+) (Colts & Fillies) (Straight)(3yo+) Winner £332,854
    Ground: Good Trip: 1m number of runners: 9
    3 pts win Golidkova
    1 pt e/w Never On Sunday
    Aqqlam: Still only relatively lightly raced for a horse that is 4 years old now, having only had 6 runs and it speaks a fair a bit about his ability that 2 of those have been in Group 1 company; Gave the impression that he was becoming a serious horse when running 3rd in the Queen Anne and then winning the Summer Mile afterward; That may not have been a brilliant renewal but worth another try in Group 1 company and not likely to be too far away.

    Virtual: Extended his owner’s fantastic record in Lockinge when wining it and taking his 1st Group 1 prize in the process at Newbury earlier on in the season on soft ground over this trip; Likely he found ground (and possibly trip) too far in Prince Of Wales’s and although that run best ignored, will have a tough task on his hands today.

    Galditorious: Had always shown ability (2nd to Scintillo in Italian Group 1 as a juvenile) on his 1st stint with Godolphin before being transferred to Mubrak Bin Shyaifya, who would take the horse form relative obscurity to being the world best according to Timeform off the back of his stunning Dubai Duty Free win on World Cup Night, blazing off buy at least 6/7 lengths and never relinquishing that lead, beating one of the season’s best turf fields in the process; Well below that when 6th in Queen Anne, weakening in the straight, although the layoff may have been something to do with it (not to mention switching continents) ; Chance to bounce back to best here, and while it would be foolish to discount him today, has to be treated with caution.

    Runaway: 5th in this last year and would have a chance if repeating his 3rd to the reopposing Never On Sunday: However that was a funny race with Goldikova (Dual Group 1 winner since) needing the run and being well below par that day, along with the ground being too heavy for a quite a few; Respected on his best, but even then he has to turn over the form with Never On Sunday.

    Never On Sunday: Won 7 out of 1st nine races, inducing a Group 3 contest and a listed race; Looked to have found his limitations when 5th on comeback so Group 1 win in Prix D’Isphan, even allowing for the well below par performances of the main players in that race (probably due to the heavy ground; What makes him an even more appealing proposition here is the fact that he proved it was no fluke when getting to within about half a length of Vision D’Etat and Tartan Bearer in Prince Of Wales’s Stakes and any of those 2 run= make him a major player here.

    Goldikova: Outstanding star filly/mare who already has 5 Group 1 wins to her name, with 2 wins in the Prix Rostchild, before taking the Moulin on her way to taking the Breeder’s Cup Mile in outstanding fashion; Disappointing when reappearing in Prix D’Isphan, 7th on heavy ground at Longchamp but right back to best when landing the Falmouth, never really overextending and same story except in much more impressive fashion last time out when taking the Rothschild for the 2nd year running, moving through 2 out to a comfortable success over French 1,000 Guineas winner Elusive Wave; Eased in last strides of that and capable of taking this.
    Silver Frost: Came up short on both tries at Group 1 level in a busy juvenile campaign, but has gone from strength to strength this term and gained his first success at the top level in the French 1,000 Guineas after 2 slick wins from Milanis and Westphalia; Did’nt stay 10f in the French Derby, so his 6th wasn’t a bad effort; Big threat to Goldikova although there are worries of the strength of his classic win.

    Irian: Impressive winner of the German 2,000 Guineas from Zarfizio and Sri Putra (Winner since and runs in Group 2 earlier on the card) and improved on that when 3rd in Prix Jean Prat behind Lord Shanakill last time out; Winner had been well beaten in Sussex and while only lightly raced, hard to think he could do better than last time.

    Only Green: Decent horse but here to be pacemaker today.
    VERDICT: A strong renewal, with 5 separate Group 1 winners in the field, all of whom have gained one or more of their success I that sphere this year. The drop back to 1m should suit Silver Frost and he looks a solid place option in this. Also to be noted is Never On Sunday although the drop back to 1m is a concern for me. Galditorious would have the beating of all of these on his Dubai form, and it’s tempting to back him at 7/1 each way, given the form that his team. The seems to be about one horse though, and it looks like GOLIDOKVA is set to win her 6th Group 1 here.

    #244092
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    4 pts win Golidkova
    1 pt e/w Never On Sunday, Silver Frost

    So if Goldikova wins and the other 2 are unplaced, you lose money.

    If Silver Frost wins and Never On Sunday is unplaced, you’ll break even.

    #244104
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    With a pacemaker for Goldikova, and the front running Gladiatorus in the race, there’s bound to be a furious pace, even so, I still can’t see the 1m trip being far enough for Never On Sunday.
    Silver Frost appears exposed as modest, and though she was stepping up in trip lto, cried enough well before stamina became an issue.
    Great filly though she is, Goldikova just isn’t as good when faced with colts. All out to to win the Moulin, beating another filly Darjina with the non-staying Paco Boy close up isn’t world class form, and her half-length win BC win from Kip Deville isn’t all that strong, bearing in mind he was beaten pointless by Gladiatorus in Dubai.
    Gladiatorus wasn’t ready for Goodwood, but considering he was intended to run in the Arlington Million (pulled out with a corn on his foot) he must have shown a deal better since, which also suggests this is no prep race.
    If Frankie really serves it up to them, his horse is quite a few pounds better than these, and it’s not hard to see Goldikova not lasting home.
    7/1 for a world class horse isn’t to be sniffed at, and topped up with a forecast for NOS to finish 2nd, could be quite a rewarding day.

    #244106
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    I like the profile of

    Aqlaam

    and expect further improvement over what’s likely to be a strongly run mile. Stable are also doing really well, which might be value for a couple of pound off his back too.

    16’s or above would be an interesting e/w mug punt, I reckon :D

    #244164
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    Wawl oh my god Goldikova absolutely destyroyed them. Have you ever seen anything like it ?

    :lol: :lol: Frickin heck.

    #244168
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    So that’s 15 Group 1s to come from Zarkava’s victims now ;)

    Could be 16 in 20 minutes with Getaway in Germany.

    Have not seen the replay yet, waiting for it to come on Youtube.

    #244169
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    Jesus God. Can’t we just talk about a victory in here without comparing it to other horses achievments FFS ? At least wait until this run has been discussed on its own merits before bringing other horses into this. Especially ones that ain’t even in training.

    #244172
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    :lol:

    If I’d seen a replay of the race, I’d happily comment on it. Unfortunately I haven’t yet so I can’t but it sounds stunning.

    #244176
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    Jesus Christ and Mary wept, that was unbelievable. Stunning. Regardless of my feelings for Zarkava, I don’t think there’s been a better miler than her in the 2000s. The only ones you could compare her to would be Hawk Wing and Rock of Gibraltar.

    On another note, Gladiawho? He’s beaten only the pacemaker home and the 3yo absolutely murdered again, what a surprise. This is without doubt the worst group of French 3yos you’re ever likely to see. Has anything come out of any of the French Classics and won more than a Group 3 since? We’ve sent over scraps like Sri Putra and Debussy and won the major 10f Group 2s. For god sakes, Mastery’s in the Voltigeur and not even one of the favourites – yet he was beaten just 3 1/2L by Cavalryman, the 7th favourite for the Arc! He was beaten further by Holberg ffs. Shocking. I feel sorry for anyone who’s paid to go to a French Classic this year.

    #244177
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    You could be forgiven for thinking this is a re-run of her previous victory – absolutely breathtaking.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FjHiauZIps

    #244178
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    Theere’s a race at Sothwell the one that Jonjo won…atr..watch that and the race is shown during it.

    Now if someone tells me Sea the Stars is a superstar I’m referring them to that. :lol:

    I think Jessica Alba must have beeen waiting for Olivier Peslier in the weighing room. She finished like a scalded cat being chased by a 6 greyhound derby winners…….so either that’s the worst Group1 ever or this really is a superstar.

    And we still got Canford Cliffs to come next week :wink: Great days!

    #244180
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    Wiener Waltzer just got up on the line after Getaway led pretty much the entire race. Cigarette paper between the 2.

    #244182
    towerto
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    that was very impressive , however i think the prix d astarte was stronger than the jacques le marois with a lot of horses running below par
    anyway goldikova is a superstar

    #244183
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    A breath-taking win from the best miler in training IMO. My e/w Aqlaam murdered the rest and wasn’t stopping either. An early Newmarket Champion stakes candidate maybe.

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