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DJ,
And you should know as well as anybody DJ, you don’t get easy Championship races at the festival
MikeHave you not seen the last two runnings of the Champion Chase?
DJ,
He has not beat a lot, but he was a winner of the Triumph Hurdle before they came down the hill. He travels so well and is a fabulous hurdler, I am so impressed of what I have seen of him thus far. He is so more talented than the previous winner of the Triumph hurdle who started fav for this year CH. As I said earlier he will not go off 7-1 on the day of the CH next year.
JohnJ.
DJ,
He is so more talented than the previous winner of the Triumph hurdle
Do you have anything to back this up? Flat form perhaps or something else, or is it merely your opinion?
Im with Johnjo here
If he had already beaten the best available, then obviously he wouldnt be 7/1. So the "what did he beat" argument gets a bit tiresome.
I like this summary of the triumph in the RP
This looked a quality Triumph Hurdle, and there was a performance of real class from KATCHIT, who quickened right away to win by the widest margin since Scolardy five years ago and in a style reminiscent also of Oh So Risky, who was one of the race’smost impressive winners and went on to be placed in Champion Hurdles.
Some of these were pretty classy on the Flat, and Katchit wouldn’t have been within 25lb of a Mountain, Lounaos or Degas Art on the balance of his form at around 1m2f with Mick Channon. He has improved out of all recognition since he was sent to Alan King for a new career over hurdles, however, taking to them immediately, and a terrific attitude to the job brought five wins, three of them at Cheltenham, from six starts before helined up here. However, there was a suspicion, even among those closest to him, that something better would come along on the big day.
Equally, there was the possibility that quicker ground would show him in an even better light, and that was clearly the case, because Katchit didn’t just win, he annihilated them. Well placed throughout, jumping quickly and cleanly and travelling strongly, he turned down the hill perfectly poised on the heels of Punjabi and Degas Art. As soon as he was given the officebetween the last two, the race was over and he came up the hill in splendid isolationThe other point is that Sublimity apart, few other serious likely CH hurdlers are going to right way..
It’s the same argument we kept hearing when Kauto Star was smashing up all and sundry last year. The only difference being that Kauto Star was at least showing top-class form as he did so.
a nine length "annilihation" of the triumph field is about as much as we should expect any four year old to achieve surely?
Let alone a continually improving record of 7/8
How often do triumph winners go on and win CH’s the following year? It’s not a case of what he’s beaten but what he has to beat. Mind you, he probably has a better opportunity than many of recent years as this years CH looks decidely rubbish at the moment. I hope to god Bob’s Pride doesn’t win it otherwise tangoman will never shut up!!!!
Getting back to the original subject matter – it would be insanity to back either Sublimity or (particularly) Katchit at current ante-post odds.
I tend to agree with dj. This year’s Champion Hurdle looks wide open, and a new broom could easily sweep through.
The above pair are for opposing at current odds, imo, as they have just as much scope for drifting, as they do of shortening up.
Unlike dj, however, I’m unable to discount Silent Oscar quite so readily from the Champion Hurdle equation. I think SO is capable of running to a smart level of form, but he is also an inconsistent pooch, and therefore hardly one to put-up with confidence. I would rather be on him at 50 though, than on Sublimity at a tenth the price.
It’s the same argument we kept hearing when Kauto Star was smashing up all and sundry last year. The only difference being that Kauto Star was at least showing top-class form as he did so.
DJ,
I don’t disagree with you, I know I was hugely sceptical of KS last season based on his jumping. I’m not one for keeping ratings as I don’t have the time and tend to go on what I see. I do believe a horse who jumps and travels as well as Katchit make serious contenders in the major hurdling races. Detroit City did not posess any of the above abilities, yet went off at a ridiculous price on CH day. I think Katchit will dominate the major hurdling races on that side of the water this season, and based on that, he will not go off at 7-1 Champion Hurdle day, thats why I believe he is huge value at the moment.
JohnJ.
Dempsey looks a big price to me at 16s to win the champion chase he ran well in the race last year and i cant see him being 16/1 on the day of the race.
I agree – Dempsey is one to keep an eye on.
Twist Magic (currently 6/1 with Coral) goes for the same race, and trainer Paul Nichols is very bullish about his chances.
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who is this horse Nevada Royale that I’ve heard about?
Unbeaten point-to-pointer now at Ditcheat, set to go novice chasing next season. Nicholls quoted as saying “potentially good, but something of an unknown quantity, as it’s hard to know how good his pointing form wasâ€Â
Nevada Royale is obviously going to be no price at all when he debuts this autumn, so an ante post bet is the only one worth having. The only one I’ve seen is William Hill quoting 25/1 for the Sun Alliance Thanks for the info, I’ve been trawling the internet for ages trying to find out more about him with little success….mo
There is a piece in the weekender about a horse called Woolcombe Folly (I think, the folly bit might be wrong) and apparently this is the talking horse in the yard..
Going back to the Champion Hurdle debate, is there a case to state that if Detroit City is over the ailments, which were blamed for his lacklustre showings at Cheltenham and Aintree, then 16/1 with Ladbrokes is a massive price.
re Detroit City – I felt that the horse was over raced last year, a young horse, stillf growing into himself campaigned both on the flat and over jumps – however, Phillip Hobbs looked absolutely shell shocked after the Champion Hurdle, so must have been expecting the horse to win. Maybe the curse of winning the Triumph stll applies even though I understand the race conditions are different now. Probably still worth a little ew though at a good price.Would like to see the horse come good…..mo
Going back to the Champion Hurdle debate, is there a case to state that if Detroit City is over the ailments, which were blamed for his lacklustre showings at Cheltenham and Aintree, then 16/1 with Ladbrokes is a massive price.
I personally think that Detroit City is done and dusted as a hurdler now, It will be an amazing achievement by his trainer to get him back to the top level. I’ve never seen a horse fall out of love with the game so quickly as he did in his last 2 races – he just chucked it in. On form, he was entitled to go very close at both Cheltenham and Aintree, but he just didn’t want to know,
Maybe a switch to fences might do the trick, or a few runs on the flat – but I will be amazed if Detroit City is back in the top grade of hurdle races, despite the current crop of hurdlers not looking as good as previous years.
Mike
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