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Passmore drifts from 11/4 to 7/1. Tom cannon drops her out the back, makes it look like hard work, the horse starts making ground approaching the third last so cannon stops riding in order to lose ground again. Then deliberately directs the horse into trouble, has to snatch up and bring the horse to the outside again, then the horse begins to run on again before cannon just sits up to finish well behind.
Disgrace
Henderson odds on shot finishes last while second string romps home.
Well in fairness in that case different gravey just jumped terribly. You can’t legislate for that
Did you see the opener at Navan thewexfordman? It’s nice to seem them make a balls of things now and again.
I haven’t seen this race yet but I find it hard to believe that this would have been worse than Midnight Maestro in yesterday’s closer or indeed Stretchingthetruth a couple of weeks ago. While the media purposefully turns a blind eye nothing will ever happen. It amazes me that some misguided souls still champion Hislop for questioning AP’s ride on Get Me Out Of Here. That was only 6 years ago! What has she done since? In her latest edition of ‘War And Peace’ she described Walsh’s ride on Battleford as ‘kind’. Punters champion or someone who knows where her bread is buttered? To be fair being mildly critical of one ride is one more than most of the train.
As for Cannon he has carved out a career of making his rides look hard work.
Can’t see what Cannon did anything wrong, myself.
No of course you wouldn’t. By your measure, Barry gerathy did nothing wrong the day the Limerick stewards believed he was so out of order that his actions deserved at 30 day ban either. How can u watch a horse drift from 11/4 to 7/1 in the space of half an hour and watch tom cannons ride and say there was nothing wrong with any of it beggars belief
Passmore was a maiden hurdler running in a non-novice handicap. Have you considered the possibility that it should have been 7/1 in the first place and market just got it wrong first off?
Just watched the race and can’t see anything remotely wrong with the ride. Horse looks a bit of a pig to be honest, having been a BF three times already in his short career! Yet to settle properly in a race and was tried in a hood here.
Mike
There are many examples so far this season of horses in these colours not being ridden to win – beginners chases and maiden hurdles have been happy hunting grounds for them until things went pear shaped at Navan yesterday.
Can’t see what Cannon did anything wrong, myself.
No of course you wouldn’t. By your measure, Barry gerathy did nothing wrong the day the Limerick stewards believed he was so out of order that his actions deserved at 30 day ban either. How can u watch a horse drift from 11/4 to 7/1 in the space of half an hour and watch tom cannons ride and say there was nothing wrong with any of it beggars belief
All am saying is I can’t see anything wrong with the Passmore ride, TWM. Don’t know what I said about the Limerick case you’re quoting, please enlighten me?
Know I’ve criticised many McManus owned rides in the past and he’s my least favourite owner. Just prefer to judge every ride independently. Even if we are right that some are decidedly iffy, doesn’t mean this one was.As Mike says, temperament looks an issue with Passmore. Ran in snatches here and displayed an awkward head carriage, at times Cannon doing well to keep him going at all. Could’ve easily allowed Passmore to get detached, but instead vigorously pushed him along to keep in touch. Maybe Passmore didn’t like the first time hood used Saturday? Did connections know he wouldn’t like it and therefore maybe knew what would happen?
But many horses don’t take to hoods and (looking at previous runs) something needed to be tried. He’s a dog!Value Is EverythingAs Mike says, temperament looks an issue with Passmore. Ran in snatches here and displayed an awkward head carriage, at times Cannon doing well to keep him going at all. Could’ve easily allowed Passmore to get detached, but instead vigorously pushed him along to keep in touch. Maybe Passmore didn’t like the first time hood used Saturday? Did connections know he wouldn’t like it and therefore maybe knew what would happen?
But many horses don’t take to hoods and (looking at previous runs) something needed to be tried. He’s a dog!
Definitely looked to me at the time a case of the mare refusing to face the hood, though it would have been appreciated had the stewards at least attempted to seek words from the handler’s representative to that effect. Passmore’s race was one of three on the Doncaster card that afternoon to attract the attention of the stewards, but the enquiry for this one concerned the winner only.
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I was very interested in Laissez Dire at Plumpton today but he’s drifting like a barge this morning. I wonder if he’ll join the list?
I was very interested in Laissez Dire at Plumpton today but he’s drifting like a barge this morning. I wonder if he’ll join the list?
Gladiateur,
Last time out on good ground over 2m3f51yrds, getting a (massively over generous) 4 year old allowance. Now without that allowance, on “soft” and over a 2 furlongs shorter trip. Against vastly inferior rivals (started odds-on and won easily) although very impressive at Catterick it is extremely difficult for bookmakers to get a handle on just how good he actually is. Timeform also rate the horse with a large P. Now faces much stiffer opposition, favourite Baron Alco had his form advertised yesterday by Whisper. Starchitect also decent and with potential to improve, plus a Tizzard newcomer… So the rest aren’t easy for bookmakers to assess either. Suspect the initial over-round figure for this race when the market began was bigger than normal and then reducing. ie On the off course Early Odds market most horses drifting.Laissez Dire is a horse who could be anything or comparitively nothing, who’s owned by one of the biggest hitters. Bookmakers are bound to put such horses in to the Early Odds market at a price that takes no chances. Letting it slowly and progressively drift out. This way bookmakers are less likely to take a beating. Indeed, if you were looking for the best ever example of a horse whose merit is difficult to assess and impossible to price up (and therefore a “take no chances” Early Price)… this is it!
Value Is EverythingThis way bookmakers are less likely to take a beating.
To be fair, their entire modus operandi is to avoid getting clobbered.
This way bookmakers are less likely to take a beating.
To be fair, their entire modus operandi is to avoid getting clobbered.
Not sure you get what I mean, Gladiateur. Apologies for percentages. :lol:
When a horse’s form is exposed (unlikely to improve and the merit of form easily assessed) a bookmaker will add very little mark up to what his odds compiler believes is its fair chance, 1 or 2% at most. eg something rated by an odds compiler an exposed fair 2/1 shot (33.3%) will be offered in the Early Odds market @ 15/8 (34.8%). Difference of 34.8 – 33.3 = only 1.5% mark up.
When a horse is thoroughly unexposed, extremely difficult to assess its form (likely to improve significantly and/or merit of form tricky to work out) a bookmaker will add far more mark up to this one horse. Something rated a thoroughly unexposed fair 2/1 (33.3%) could be originally offered at around 6/4 (40%) in the Early Odds market. Difference of 40 – 33.3 = 6.7% mark up. If there is little or no interest at that price they’ll obviously increase the price until there is interest. Hence it may well appear to drift badly, but is probably just finding its rightfull place in the market.
Value Is Everything
Know I’ve criticised many McManus owned rides in the past and he’s my least favourite owner. Just prefer to judge every ride independently. Even if we are right that some are decidedly iffy, doesn’t mean this one was.
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