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CR, the programme is usually repeated on a Sunday and available on the BBC iplayer the following day. So, next Monday, I think.
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Its all about money at the end of the day and those who need the biggest ego/ wallet around are the one who will come into our beloved sport and do anything they can to earn money that just ruins everything.
Paying a witless jockey to stop a horse from winning should be put under the animal cruelty act and also running horses unfit. A horse should not be run unless it has a chance of winning because is that not what the sports about?
Im so pissed of with all these big hitters thinking they can come in and ruin it for us who put the ******* effort in day in and day out like studying form or do our own figures to be putting money on a horse some bloke has paid to not win or the horse is running when not fit.
Racing is become a bloody joke and I just watch it because im passionate about Racing but will leave the betting aspects alone as theres too many dodgy c@@@s, ******* C@@@S.
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I well remember the bookies pushing out the price and continuing to take money on that doped horse of Dick Herns (i think) in the eighties
Remember McCririck going on and on about it live on C4
How did the bookies know what was going to happen?
And what was done about it?
Nothing…
What would happen now if a high profile doped horse was pushed out on the exchanges today (with the rats following suit..)?
I would be confident it would at the very least be followed up
Clivex
The horse was Bravefoot, and there was a huge hue and cry about his defeat, but is it any more acceptable because Betfair would highlight it now?
Does anyone really believe that the real problem isn’t that the betting exchanges expose what has been true for years before their existence?Does anyone really believe that the real problem isn’t that the betting exchanges expose what has been true for years before their existence?
That’s a bit cryptic for me!
I agree with clivex that the sport was corrupt before exchanges came along, just that it seems that it was acceptable for bookmakers to use inside information to their benefit and to punter’s detriment.
It makes no difference to a punter who lays the bet (exchange layer or high street bookie) if the horse is a non-trier.
Was there an enquiry into the Bravefoot case?
Has a bookmaker ever been taken to task over inside info?
Precisely David.
Even the so called "respectable" bookmakers were cashing in on a dangerously (did he run again?) doped horse
Reets a bit slow off the mark isnt he?
If found guilty, the BHA can show their intent next month by making an example of McKeown and Blockley.
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Clivex
Just for you, I’ll try and explain it simply.
The real integrity problem is non-triers, and the vast majority of these aren’t pulled or stopped independently, but are sent out as such by their stables. The BHA must know this, but steadfastly refuse to either recognise it publicly or deal with its cause.
Their only real contribution therefore is to harangue those who occasionally let the cat out of the bag, which does little to solve the problem, but a great deal to move the emphasis away from its root cause, the trainers.. It’s no coincidence that we never see a trainer in Court, or that the only prosecutions are those forced on the BHA by the transparency afforded by the betting exchanges.
Like us, they know full well what is happening, it’s just that their real motives are to cover up the problem rather than deal with it.Like us, they know full well what is happening, it’s just that their real motives are to cover up the problem rather than deal with it.
Have to disagree with you there – the problem the authorities have is proving it is happening.
If a trainer is banned he loses his livelihood – he will appeal the decision and when he has exhausted the official appeals process then you can absolutely guarantee he will go to the courts under Human Rights legislation. Once that happens the burden of proof that the authorities would have to produce is such that unless there is incontrovertible evidence then m’learned Law Lords would find in favour of the trainer.
This in turn would make the racing authorities more reluctant and effectively give bent trainers a free hand.
I’ve never had a bet on cartoon racing, roulettes or anything like that. I don’t think all racing is bent, just a very small percentage at the lower echelons. I’m relatively serious about my betting but I’m far from addicted.
However, I don’t have time to monitor the markets on every race I bet on and nor do 90% of people who consider themselves horse-racing fans, I would say. I bet the horse at the best available price, using guaranteed price if possible.
What is the point of fancying a horse which is say 8/1 in the morning. Should I wait until it is backed in to 5/1 before backing it because then I know it is "off" today. There is no way I could win long-term by doing that.
I (and every other punter) shouldn’t have to monitor the markets to see if their horse is "off" today. It should be a given. Just as it is in virtually every other sport (with rare exceptions, most notably in tennis).
reet hard wrote
The real integrity problem is non-triers, and the vast majority of these aren’t pulled or stopped independently, but are sent out as such by their stables.
There is more to the problem of corruption than that. Little phrases such as "not in the first three"; "stay out the back"; "it’s set up for you to win"; spring to mind. I also wouldn’t touch a 3/4 runner race whatever the class.
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Have to disagree with you there – the problem the authorities have is proving it is happening.
And that’s the nub of it. How do they prove it? At present it seems they can’t.
So, what can be done to reduce corruption?
My humble suggestions are:
Look at the handicap system and make changes. Forget trying to please the bookmaker all of the time and concentrate more on the spectator/ punter.
Fine the trainer of the horse last out of the stalls in every race. He/she obviously hasn’t done the job of training properly. Also ban the jockey for at least one day unless severely hampered. If so ban the culprit.
Ensure that every trainer has to record with the stewards his instructions on how the horse is to be ridden. If not followed by the jockey, a ban.
Grade the jockeys and pay them more subject to their success. It’s ridiculous that they, including apprentices, get paid the same. Also, give them the respect they deserve for the dangerous job they do. Not all are out to cheat.Almost identical to my way of betting andagree with that word for word David Brady. Well put
2) it is not only among the young in the deprived inner-city areas where foul-mouthed, aggressive thugs can be found – we saw two utterly repulsive middle-aged individuals from, one would say, the better heeled part of society, whom I find it quite embarrassing to have to acknowledge as fellow members of the human race;
Better heeled maybe but otherwise just examples of "you can take the scum out the slum but can’t take the slum out the scum"
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