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Ooh, i’ve ended up outside Aristotle’s cave with the philosophers!
Anyone would think it’s all financed by disinterested gentlemen anoraks having a fiver on the Derby!
Wot a larf!
I hope you enjoy your ivory towers: do you wear white to the racecourse to signify purity and intellectual rigour?‘Without gambling, it’s all just horses running around in circles basically.’ D Nevison, 2005.
All people are suggesting is that you can enjoy racing for its own sake without having a bet.
If that concept is so beyond your ken that it elicits a response like the one above then the answer to your original question is yes – you should pack it in.
I think I made my side of the discussion very clear. You don’t agree. OK.
I’ve not yet ”packed it in” I may never call it a day but optimism is dying, it has barely a pulse. I find myself pitting myself against tipsters in the RP and, without being boastful, trouncing them in races of my choice.
There is simply too much disguised ability around especially in lower grade racing, too many unconsidered runners romping home like champions passing your selection laden with ticked boxes.
Precisely. It’s ridiculous to have this amount of racing each day which is, let’s put it this way, basically a farce of disingenuousness. It is ridiculous for the authorities and the racing post to wonder aloud why it is not more popular at that level. There are far easier ways to be conned out of money. The bookie likes rubbish racing, they said that last year. I wonder why? There’s only one trouble: courses that deal in this crap will start to close. It will be very sad but only a fool will ask why it happened.
. . .and on here you have the philosopher-kings and gentlemen gamblers who all affect not to know how the sport is funded and why it has its deeply engrained poor reputation.
Some time ago I expressed interest in a tipping service. They still send me boastful updates even though I never subscribed. Here’s the interesting thing: in the winter they struggle while I score, but come summer their ‘inside information’ brings touches every other day. This tells me something about the game. Perhaps the turf philosophers can explain this away as something perfectly legit wholesome?
That Cav is something else …blunt like a sabre super sharpened ….
Prof , a small word sir …punting is a mugs game unless you are really careful and work very hard at it, how about forgetting horse racing for a year and come back to it , see if you feel the same way
cheers
Ricky
"Winning is an attitude. It’s about not being denied. Winners do what losers refuse to do. A loser refuses to keep records. A loser refuses to do original research or in fact read the research of others, never mind validate it. A loser doesn’t read books on the subject of handicapping. A loser doesn’t seek out a winner for advice. A loser views a losing day at the track as money irretrievably lost. A winner views the money left at the track as an interest-bearing loan that he’ll be back to collect.
Losing is also an attitude. A loser wants something for nothing. He wants to win without doing the requisite work. A loser tends to have his ego invested in his selections. If his horse wins, he’s a certified genius, and if it loses, he’s a low life ignoramous. Hence the need to find an excuse when he loses.
Winners strive for excellence, while losers strive to get by. Winners have goals, and plans to get them to their goals. Losers have daydreams. They dream about winning the lottery or about a long-lost relative dying and leaving them a fortune. Losers believe that winners are ‘lucky’. They believe that external forces are responsible for their destiny.
By our behaviour we choose to be a winner or a loser."
Dick Mitchell via Alan Potts
Pack the forum in while your at it.
clown
I will take you seriously when you give me an ARGUMENT. Anyone can say piss off.
"Winning is an attitude. It’s about not being denied. Winners do what losers refuse to do. A loser refuses to keep records. A loser refuses to do original research or in fact read the research of others, never mind validate it. A loser doesn’t read books on the subject of handicapping. A loser doesn’t seek out a winner for advice. A loser views a losing day at the track as money irretrievably lost. A winner views the money left at the track as an interest-bearing loan that he’ll be back to collect.
Losing is also an attitude. A loser wants something for nothing. He wants to win without doing the requisite work. A loser tends to have his ego invested in his selections. If his horse wins, he’s a certified genius, and if it loses, he’s a low life ignoramous. Hence the need to find an excuse when he loses.
Winners strive for excellence, while losers strive to get by. Winners have goals, and plans to get them to their goals. Losers have daydreams. They dream about winning the lottery or about a long-lost relative dying and leaving them a fortune. Losers believe that winners are ‘lucky’. They believe that external forces are responsible for their destiny.
By our behaviour we choose to be a winner or a loser."
Dick Mitchell via Alan Potts
I work hard, I keep records. If you’d bothered to engage brain and read my original post you would see I pointed out that considering racing is supposed to be a recreation/leisure pursuit it is indistinguishable from work – harder and crueller than work if anything – and as such I wondered aloud if it was worth the trouble, given that it a lot of it is, quote, a FARCE OF DISINGENUOUSNESS kept up by all concerned.
Disingenuous: Adjective: Not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does.
I have not had one reply disputing that statement.
Do you consider that all forms of horse racing to suffer from disingenuousness? If there are certain classes of race that you feel that are not blighted by this then perhaps it is better to concentrate upon them.
In lower class races you may determine that a significant majority of the field are not doing their utmost to win, your choice is then to disregard the race as a suitable means for a bet or try to identify the runners that will be trying their hardest to win. When keeping records, it is as important to keep a record of how your selections perform as to how your finances are situated.
What most punters fail to realize is that by betting less they will miss backing more losers than winners.
Unless you can derive a sufficient level of pleasure from your interest in horse racing then finding an alternative leisure pursuit may yield greater satisfaction.
A loser tends to have his ego invested in his selections. If his horse wins, he’s a certified genius, and if it loses, he’s a low life ignoramous.
no more disappointment (the default emotion of the Turf); no more rage at one’s own stupidity and bad luck (put inverted commas round bad luck as you see fit).
Hence the need to find an excuse when he loses.
It’s ridiculous to have this amount of racing each day which is, let’s put it this way, basically a farce of disingenuousness.
racing is supposed to be a recreation/leisure pursuit it is indistinguishable from work – harder and crueller than work if anything – and as such I wondered aloud if it was worth the trouble, given that it a lot of it is, quote, a FARCE OF DISINGENUOUSNESS kept up by all concerned.
Disingenuous: Adjective: Not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does.
Racing is a sport and therefore a leisure pursuit. Betting too is a leisure pursuit for the large majority who – while they may enjoy the occasional win or dream of the ‘big win’ – accept that they will lose money in the long run and don’t really care. However for the small minority who bet solely with the aim of making a long term profit, betting is indistinguishable from work and is treated as such, or should be, nay, must be
The quest of betting for profit is an opportunity for the individual to try self-employment: no more no less, and anyone who has been self-employed knows it’s damned hard work
If one correlates "disingenuous" with races unsuitable as betting propositions, then of course there are numerous disingenuous races, and for a myriad of reasons. As Eclipse First above implies, the wise punter will at the outset weed out those races which don’t have a favourable betting shape and ignore them
It does, I admit, take a little strength of character to discard a race as unsuitable after spending some time analysing it, as the irrational fear of a ‘winner missed’ lingers within all of us; but, again as EF points out above, the rational response to discarding a race should be the joy of a ‘loser missed’
"harder and crueller than work if anything" Yes indeed Professor Trubshawe, a truism if ever there was one. If betting were easy, everyone would be at it, wouldn’t they
I’m loath to determine character from posts on a message board but if yours Prof are a true reflection of your personality and psychological disposition then I have little hesitation in saying you haven’t got what it takes to turn a profit from betting…sorry
racing is supposed to be a recreation/leisure pursuit it is indistinguishable from work – harder and crueller than work if anything – and as such I wondered aloud if it was worth the trouble, given that it a lot of it is, quote, a FARCE OF DISINGENUOUSNESS kept up by all concerned.
Disingenuous: Adjective: Not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does.
Racing is a sport and therefore a leisure pursuit. Betting too is a leisure pursuit for the large majority who – while they may enjoy the occasional win or dream of the ‘big win’ – accept that they will lose money in the long run and don’t really care. However for the small minority who bet solely with the aim of making a long term profit, betting is indistinguishable from work and is treated as such, or should be, nay, must be
The quest of betting for profit is an opportunity for the individual to try self-employment: no more no less, and anyone who has been self-employed knows it’s damned hard work
If one correlates "disingenuous" with races unsuitable as betting propositions, then of course there are numerous disingenuous races, and for a myriad of reasons. As Eclipse First above implies, the wise punter will at the outset weed out those races which don’t have a favourable betting shape and ignore them
It does, I admit, take a little strength of character to discard a race as unsuitable after spending some time analysing it, as the irrational fear of a ‘winner missed’ lingers within all of us; but, again as EF points out above, the rational response to discarding a race should be the joy of a ‘loser missed’
"harder and crueller than work if anything" Yes indeed Professor Trubshawe, a truism if ever there was one. If betting were easy, everyone would be at it, wouldn’t they
I’m loath to determine character from posts on a message board but if yours Prof are a true reflection of your personality and psychological disposition then I have little hesitation in saying you haven’t got what it takes to turn a profit from betting…sorry
Oh I’ve turned a profit all right. I’m in profit now this flat season – and even missed Goodwood! None of you thought about my original post, you just did what everyone does on here: snatched at an opportunity, as you saw it, to upbraid pocket talk and take a
de haut en bas
attitude to someone who has made a legitimate point about the game. White haired men spend hours in betting shops every day doing the same, perhaps it is their compensation for being addicted.
racing is supposed to be a recreation/leisure pursuit it is indistinguishable from work – harder and crueller than work if anything – and as such I wondered aloud if it was worth the trouble, given that it a lot of it is, quote, a FARCE OF DISINGENUOUSNESS kept up by all concerned.
Disingenuous: Adjective: Not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does.
Racing is a sport and therefore a leisure pursuit. Betting too is a leisure pursuit for the large majority who – while they may enjoy the occasional win or dream of the ‘big win’ – accept that they will lose money in the long run and don’t really care. However for the small minority who bet solely with the aim of making a long term profit, betting is indistinguishable from work and is treated as such, or should be, nay, must be
The quest of betting for profit is an opportunity for the individual to try self-employment: no more no less, and anyone who has been self-employed knows it’s damned hard work
If one correlates "disingenuous" with races unsuitable as betting propositions, then of course there are numerous disingenuous races, and for a myriad of reasons. As Eclipse First above implies, the wise punter will at the outset weed out those races which don’t have a favourable betting shape and ignore them
It does, I admit, take a little strength of character to discard a race as unsuitable after spending some time analysing it, as the irrational fear of a ‘winner missed’ lingers within all of us; but, again as EF points out above, the rational response to discarding a race should be the joy of a ‘loser missed’
"harder and crueller than work if anything" Yes indeed Professor Trubshawe, a truism if ever there was one. If betting were easy, everyone would be at it, wouldn’t they
I’m loath to determine character from posts on a message board but if yours Prof are a true reflection of your personality and psychological disposition then I have little hesitation in saying you haven’t got what it takes to turn a profit from betting…sorry
You say ‘If betting were easy, everyone would be at it, wouldn’t they
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I would counter that by making the perfectly valid point that the majority of racing has been made deliberately difficult; I have heard leading jockeys say as much. You say everyone would be at it; I say MORE would be at it if they thought they stood a cat in hell’s chance, and if more would be at it the game wouldn’t be in trouble, simple. As it is, it remains the ‘mug’s game’, and well named.For your own good Prof, give racing up, it isn’t worth the lows you’re going through.
Value Is EverythingA loser tends to have his ego invested in his selections. If his horse wins, he’s a certified genius, and if it loses, he’s a low life ignoramous.
no more disappointment (the default emotion of the Turf); no more rage at one’s own stupidity and bad luck (put inverted commas round bad luck as you see fit).
Hence the need to find an excuse when he loses.
It’s ridiculous to have this amount of racing each day which is, let’s put it this way, basically a farce of disingenuousness.
You don’t think racing contains a large measure of disingenuousness?
You think that when a trainer/jockey on horse which any handicapper with brains knows can’t win under the conditions is asked on the telly what are his chances, he says ‘we-elll, he’d have a chance but blardy blardy blah’ when the honest answer would be ‘not today’ that is not being disingenuous? How many horses are ridden each day with no chance of winning but are priced at the top and the public are invited to bet on them? A lot. It may be that is the only way the game can be, but still that is disingenuous in my opinion – and unseemly.For your own good Prof, give racing up, it isn’t worth the lows you’re going through.
Quite the reverse me old son! I had a mere dabble at Brighton after two weeks of a holiday and feel rather good. Read the original post.
PS: Glad to see an old realist like yourself has seen the sense in my other points.
Oh I’ve turned a profit all right. I’m in profit now this flat season – and even missed Goodwood! None of you thought about my original post, you just did what everyone does on here: snatched at an opportunity, as you saw it, to upbraid pocket talk and take a
de haut en bas
attitude to someone who has made a legitimate point about the game. White haired men spend hours in betting shops every day doing the same, perhaps it is their compensation for being addicted.
If you make a profit Prof, why the "rages". Why so disillusioned? Just because you don’t get the answers you want, doesn’t mean people didn’t read what you said in the OP.
Why get so up tight about the poor quality stuff? If you don’t like it, ignore it. Just bet on the better quality races, there’s enough of them to go around. Simples.
Value Is Everything
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