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Ginger
I no more need you to interpret form for me than some blind guy to lead me across a busy highway.
Ffs, do try and stick to the subject, and stop filling the forum with pap on subjects you have little grasp of – and endless duplication of previous posts.Surely though at odds of between 100/1 to 150/1 (Price correct according to Oddschecker from 6/9/2011)
http://bettingzone.oddschecker.com/hors … t/st-leger
That Rumh can be expected to finish nearer last than first, if as expected and generally happens with Pacemakers they run too fast in the early stages. However for arguement sake with better riding it might be a mid field finisher.
Surely that’s what meant by best possible place, but tactics might also be part of the plan, the jockey could say that he was trying to stretch them for instance, not that Rumh jockey will be in front of the stewards for not getting best place possible, as like someone already mentioned its purely circumstantial
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Simon Crisford interviewed on Sporting Life website;
Is Rumh in as a pacemaker? Absolutely!
That seems a fairly straightforward answer.
As Hamlet puts it:
"Nay madam,
’tis
– I know not
seems
".
Agreed. Past history shows we can trust Godolphin as to what they’re about. But whilst
Rumh
is obviously being supplemented as a pacemaker, quite
how
they will do the job with her will remain a mystery until the gates open.
We’re beginning to go round in circles now. I go back to my initial reason for quoting the BHA Rule: namely, that
"trying to win the race"
is
not mentioned
in this section on pacemakers. By definition, a pacemaker is trying to help win the race,
not for itself, but for another horse
– and unless things go spectacularly wrong, to our delight when it does! – that is exactly what happens.
Yes Pinza, we are going around in circles. To try and stop the roundabout – I refer you to the answer I gave earlier:
Psalm "57.1.1"
We’d better agree to disagree.
Would be nice if Silvoir could illustrate what exactly is allowed.
Value Is EverythingGinger
I no more need you to interpret form for me than some blind guy to lead me across a busy highway.
Ffs, do try and stick to the subject, and stop filling the forum with pap on subjects you have little grasp of – and endless duplication of previous posts.Calm down, calm down.
Everything I’ve said Reet, is to the point.
Lighten up mate.
You seemed to suggest that because Rumh was "held up" at 12f before, she should not front run in the Yorkshire Oaks. I was merely pointing out why it was perfectly proper for Rumh to front run.
That’s all, no malice in what I said. No need to go OTT.
Value Is EverythingIf you watch the rerun of the Eclipse the commentators suggest that Confront and Fortune broke both the pacemaker and the team riding rules. If planned in advance Stoute should have been before the stewards for that race.Aidan’s jockeys were called in a couple of years ago for much less.Listen to the description of the race in review by the commentators.It is damning of the jockeys.
The most blatant example was in the Irish Champion when Fantastic Light beat Galileo. Richard Hills won the race for Godolphin by his efforts on Give the Slip and the stewards were too scared to demote the winner for fear of accusations of nepotism.
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The most blatant example was in the Irish Champion when Fantastic Light beat Galileo. Richard Hills won the race for Godolphin by his efforts on Give the Slip and the stewards were too scared to demote the winner for fear of accusations of nepotism.
An entirely questionable statement. Watching the race live (as I was privileged to do) it looked fair riding. And watching the stirring finish again on Saturday confirmed that. Galileo got to Fantastic Light in good time, and the Godolphin horse kicked again. He was just that bit better than Galileo over 10F, that’s all.
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The most blatant example was in the Irish Champion when Fantastic Light beat Galileo. Richard Hills won the race for Godolphin by his efforts on Give the Slip and the stewards were too scared to demote the winner for fear of accusations of nepotism.
An entirely questionable statement. Watching the race live (as I was privileged to do) it looked fair riding. And watching the stirring finish again on Saturday confirmed that. Galileo got to Fantastic Light in good time, and the Godolphin horse kicked again. He was just that bit better than Galileo over 10F, that’s all.
Contrary to an earlier suggestion (I forget whose) as far as I can tell, Richard Hills received no punishment for his ride on
Give the Slip
, and quite right too. The Stewards cautioned Frankie Dettori for his use of the whip on the winner, but no ban resulted from that either.
Chris Cook
‘s description of how it panned out is a good one:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/20 … flat-races
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