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Bit harsh on Nicholls there Knighty. The horse had jumped well, still seemed to be tanking along and had it not been for an unfortunate stumble, we may be talking about a fine training performance.
Can’t really see that today’s incident would have been any different had he had a previous jaunt around one of the lesser tracks, while given he isn’t a novice, I would have thought that the number of suitable alternatives, without blowing his handicap mark, was fairy limited.
Terrible shame, but I wouldn’t criticise anyone – just one of those unfortunate things that blight the winter game.
Food for thought for race planners perhaps? Maybe make 3yo/4yo chase winners eligible for non-graded novices but with the relevant penalties? Or open up Graduation Chases to them no matter how many wins they gained at 3 and 4?
Hello Marz,
The Death of a Horse is "Pretty Trivial" !!
In what context?
A very unusual and inappropriate comment to put up on a Horse Racing Forum….
First off Doyley I am not the male version of Cruella De Ville, I do feel for the horse but I won’t delve on it. Ruby Walsh’s fall had me momentarily dumbfounded as I thought it was going to be a lot more serious than it turned out to be. A broken collar bone, par for the course for these jump jockeys. I can see where your coming from Doyley it is a racing forum but as already said there is a thread on here for sentiments regarding deceased horses.
Or open up Graduation Chases to them no matter how many wins they gained at 3 and 4?
That’s a long way from the worst idea I’ve ever heard. Over to the planners!
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I laid Granit Jack, didn’t think it had the credentials to win today but I detest being right in these circumstances. All my commiserations to the connections.
It’s awful to lose two such promising horses. Granit Jack looked like he was going to trot up and to lose a horse as good as him at just 5yo is a real choker
Does anyone know if the horses following on behind caused the damage because it didnt particularly look like a fall that would have killed him instantly as it did. Nicholls is apparently dumbfounded as well.
And as for Willyanwoody, it was one of the worst falls you’ll see and thank god Ruby is relatively ok. Surprised Channel 4 showed it again to be honest.
Makes me fully appreciate the ones that are still with us and commiserations to all connections.
It’s awful to lose two such promising horses. Granit Jack looked like he was going to trot up and to lose a horse as good as him at just 5yo is a real choker
Does anyone know if the horses following on behind caused the damage because it didnt particularly look like a fall that would have killed him instantly as it did. Nicholls is apparently dumbfounded as well.
And as for Willyanwoody, it was one of the worst falls you’ll see and thank god Ruby is relatively ok. Surprised Channel 4 showed it again to be honest.
Makes me fully appreciate the ones that are still with us and commiserations to all connections.
I hope you show the same sentiment to the 35 that was killed in a car bomb in Iraq.????????????????????????????????????????????
No need for that Madman, out of character if I may say so. We’ve gone through this before, people can grieve and be upset in their own ways and rudeness isn’t a way to help matters.
How am I been rude Marb ???, I thrive myself on not been rude, I thought I was given an opinion. Hope to hear from you Marb
I hope you show the same sentiment to the 35 that was killed in a car bomb in Iraq.????????????????????????????????????????????
Well, if thats not rude then…
Is that not just reality Marb??
If you worded if differently then yes.
Hey Marb, I havent fell out with anyone yet, I don’t plan to do so now, but I have to admit those Jamesons are starting to take affect on me, talk to you tommorow.
I will leave you now with a Smiths classic,
"On those cold leather seats when it suddenly struck me I just might die with a smile on my face afterallNo place for people like MM on boards like this.
You have to think what the king of music is thinking sal, I can still love horseracing
PC tosh as usual
We have this debate everytime. Last time it was after George Washington. Here we go again…
To be perfectly honest, madman, all I have seen from you on this thread is pointless, insensitive, nigh-on-comical drivel which commands about as much respect as Abu Hamza on his annual address of the Church of England.
The fact is that horseracing forms part of the ‘real world’, as you put it, and the death of any horse, whilst obviously unfortunate, is very real for those directly involved. And those who are not, it would seem, as this thread admirably proves. Your inexplicable failure to give the connection between man and horse any credence is unbelievable, and one can only assume you aren’t a horseracing fan for those that make the sport what it is – the horses. People make of the sport what they want, but I would suggest that if you don’t have anything worthwhile to say you just ignore the thread.
The death of any particular horse isn’t going to stop the world (then again neither is that of any particular soldier, no matter which country, army or cause they are fighting for – though I would suggest such a comparison shows what little foundation your ridiculous comments are made upon) but within the circles in which we live any such occurrence means a great deal.
As a Liverpool fan – just to work on the barmy lines of logic you have been operating on thus far – I would be devastated if a member of our squad were to be killed. It wouldn’t mean a lot to any non-football fans, or perhaps supporters of other clubs in other countries, but does that give me any less right to be upset, or to view the event as tragic?
I think not.
I draw upon the passing of Princess Diana as another pertinent, at least to you, example. Royalists and Diana fans were grief-stricken, whilst others (including myself) didn’t really think all that much of it. The world didn’t end, life didn’t change for everyone, but her death still meant something to some people. Whilst I may not have agreed with the hysteria it caused, who am I to tell people what is and isn’t worth grieving or showing emotion over?
What was a caring, heart-felt thread about the loss of two potentially outstanding horses and the effects on connections at this time has now descended in to a series of fevered rants from someone who is irritatingly mindless. Then again, maybe better shouldn’t be expected of someone who can’t work out the difference between ‘delve’ and ‘dwell’.
As regards the fall of Granit Jack, I think Smithy has it pretty much spot on. The horse had jumped well until coming down, and in fact looked to have cleared the ‘offending obstacle’ pretty well prior to hitting the deck, and was cruising alongside rivals already hard at work. He did look to land heavily on his neck though, and was not moving (or so it seemed) at any stage. Liam Heard showed signs of injury immediately after the fall and I would hazard a guess that Granit Jack was gone soon after his head hitting the ground.
A sad, sad loss and commiserations to connections.
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