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I don’t understand your reasoning. Are you saying these people carry out their beliefs in this country? I think I may recall a case of female circumsicion but I can’t remember a stoning. I have a feeling stoning was around BC so was probably a Jewish thing. Crusifiction certainly was.
Female genital mutilation is carried out in many African countries. Whether this is because they are Muslims or is a tribal thing I am not sure.No Happy, as I’m sure you’re aware, I’ve not stated that female circumcision is being carried out in any great numbers here (although I wouldn’t expect that too many cases ever come to light.) But, do you think there are just a few cases of young muslim women being made to enter arranged marriages against there will?
Never read any stories about the revenge killings undertaken by the shamed families of those women who didn’t follow the Daddy’s marriage plans – there not just mentioned in the Daily Mail.
Do you not recall seeing on the news in the UK those Muslims waving banners with slogans espousing the killing of non-muslims and the imposition off Sharia law etc.?
Or was it only me?
Do you think the immigration of more people who share those views to be a good thing?
Should we not discourage the immigration of those Muslims from countries that see no crime in what our native Islamo-nutters did when they blew up the London Underground trains?I would point out though, perhaps because I never made it clearly enough in earlier posts, or maybe you’d not realised I’d written it that, I am not opposed to all strains of Islam. Only those that practice the more extreme varieties. And I’ve worked with Muslims in the past who are as anti the loony Islamo-fanatics as I am – and are sick to the back teeth with those in our press and political classes who appease them. (I don’t work with any now though.)
All fair points, insomniac. Any sane minded human being would abhor such barbarity.
I’m still trying to figure out how all of that relates to the implementation of Sharia Law in the UK though (the rhetorical question that forms the title of your thread)?
Sharia law is here.
The muslim bods in harrow have a sharia court built into the new mosque.
Its here, so lets accept it. Its what they want and they get what they want.Simple’s!!!!
Sharia law certainly wont take over the uk, thats not the issue
but creeping influence of fundamentalist religions lobbying will have an effect. We saw that with the laughable religous hatred bill
This article is far closer to the point
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree … nick-cohen
also comments striongly on much of thee lefts weird love affair with nazi worshiping islamic fundamentalists. But not so weird when you consider the latent anti semitism, joyless, mind controlling and anti libertarean streak that runs through so much of islam
Nice article from my local paper today
http://thepeninsulaqatar.com/Display_ne … 811525.xml
We have Sharia law here too. I have 2 pubs a 5 minute walk away. Helps keep this more than lapsed Catholic on an even keel. The Church is a 10 minute drive.
It aint all bad news.
Behave yourself Insomniac. Get yourself down to Lloyds tsb this instant, and open a sharia law bank account or i’ll chop your hands off. It’s pathetic that they have those accounts. It’s all about money these days. The man in the suit would sell their granny if it got them a vote/cash. The term ‘God’ is used to justify war by people who i have suspicions about. Do the likes of George Bush or Osama Bin Laden really believe in God, or do they use the big guy upstairs as a means of mind control over the masses ? Do all the religous fruitcakes never think, well hold on there’s billions of people in this planet, and dozens of religions, so by default billions in the majority are wasting their time by following the wrong religion ? … oh no that’s right they all claim to believe in the same god, but in a different religous form because it’s the best way of keeping people apart.
Look at the veil/black post box. That ought to be banned on security grounds. If i walked into a bank with a ski mask, would i be allowed to make a withdrawl ?
I don’t have a problem with religion per say, in fact i have a slight admiration for some of it. What i don’t agree with is religion having a say in how the country is run, and what we can or cannot do. If i want to draw a picture of Mohamed eating a hot dog, then i bloody well will. Muslims insult atheists/agnostics on a regular basis, yet cry murder polis when they get it back.
Arranged marriages, sharia bank accounts…it’s all geared up for Muslims to make other muslims richer.
Oh Christ, i’ve been listening to Pat Condell too much.
You do not have to be Islamic to open a Sharia compliant account with Lloyds TSB, although admittedly the very name would probably be offputting to many, which I suspect is how the banks would want it.
Ultimately, there is a risk here I think, that, over time, people could get drawn in to Islamic banking if it is seen to save them money [if the banks start charging for everyday accounts for instance], and thereby, become part of the Sharia system whether they like it or not.
Hands up those who are pleased by the recent developments in Switzerland regarding the Minaret issue?
As a modest Richard Dawkins supporter I have little time for religious orthodoxy of Middle Eastern origins, but I have mixed feelings about this, can see for and against, but I don’t think I’d like to live in a country with Direct Democracy either. I’m very happy with the EU, ECHR and all that goes with it.
This evening, I am more angry with Parliament who have voted down a Lib Dem amendment on national identity which was to grant Cornish people the right to state their nationality on census forms. Overwhelming majority against. I didn’t agree with that and I hope they continue to write ‘Cornish’ where appropriate.
Actually I’m disgusted by the recent minaret ban in Switzerland. The vast majority of Swiss Muslims (what very few there are) are not Arab, they’re from the Balkans, and most are non-practicing. There’s a grand total of 4 minarets in Switzerland-and how many church belltowers?
Also, a lot of you are confusing the ultraconservative Wahhabism with mainstream Islam. Islamic banking has little to do with fundamentalism and is based on the prohibition of usury.
Hands up those who are pleased by the recent developments in Switzerland regarding the Minaret issue?
I’m pleased. The Swiss people exercised their opinion in a constitutional referendum, a right granted to them by their constitutional democracy.
Majority rules.
This evening, I am more angry with Parliament who have voted down a Lib Dem amendment on national identity which was to grant Cornish people the right to state their nationality on census forms. Overwhelming majority against. I didn’t agree with that and I hope they continue to write ‘Cornish’ where appropriate.
Actually I’m more ‘angry’ (though it’s hardly anger, more terminal weariness) that a small percentage of the Cornish population are so narrow-minded and insecure to demand they be recognised ‘officially’ as Cornish.
You’re born, bred and live in Cornwall. Lucky you, lovely coastline and excellent cream teas. Why do you feel the need for ‘recognition’ on your frigging passport and census?
I hate Nationalism with a vengeance and, with it being closer to home hence bombarded with it, Celtic Nationalism in particular
Drone – Tyke (unofficially) Citizen of the World (officially)
You do not have to be Islamic to open a Sharia compliant account with Lloyds TSB, although admittedly the very name would probably be offputting to many, which I suspect is how the banks would want it.
Ultimately, there is a risk here I think, that, over time, people could get drawn in to Islamic banking if it is seen to save them money [if the banks start charging for everyday accounts for instance], and thereby, become part of the Sharia system whether they like it or not.
Hands up those who are pleased by the recent developments in Switzerland regarding the Minaret issue?
As a modest Richard Dawkins supporter I have little time for religious orthodoxy of Middle Eastern origins, but I have mixed feelings about this, can see for and against, but I don’t think I’d like to live in a country with Direct Democracy either. I’m very happy with the EU, ECHR and all that goes with it.
This evening, I am more angry with Parliament who have voted down a Lib Dem amendment on national identity which was to grant Cornish people the right to state their nationality on census forms. Overwhelming majority against. I didn’t agree with that and I hope they continue to write ‘Cornish’ where appropriate.
Exactly, that’s one of the problems. I wouldn’t mind not giving or receiving interest, but why on earth does it have to be a sharia account. Can’t they have an alternative for those of us who are not of their denomination ?
As for the Minaret, i see not point in banning it. Maybe i’m missing something ?
A difficult one this – on the one hand I support freedom of speech and expression, no matter how obnoxious the point of view being expressed may be.
On the other hand I think this group are being deliberately provocative in choosing Wooton Bassett for their protest.
I think their choice of location underlines their real intent, which is to inflame inter-community relations.
If you take their points on face value, i.e. the suffering of innocent civilians in Afghanistan they arguably have a point and if they used rational argument and debate I have no doubt they would actually have a sympathetic hearing from most people.
However I believe their true raison d’être is to stir up hatred and to provoke a strong violent reaction which will add fuel to their persecution complex.
They are, I hate to say it, being quite “clever” as whatever happens i.e. the march going ahead or being banned will play into their hands.
Incidentally the Home Secretary has gone on record to say he will issue a banning order if requested by the local council or police.
The least worse solution would be to allow the protest but somewhere other than Wooton Basset.
The Muslim moderates have it right.
Moderate Muslim groups meanwhile urged the police to stop the protest to prevent a backlash against British Muslims by right-wing British extremist groups.
Shahid Murasaleen, from London-based Minhaj-ul-Quran International UK, said: “These kind of extremists do not represent the British Muslims.
“This march will achieve nothing other than to incite hate crime against innocent law-abiding British Muslims.”
A scrounging, cowardly, trouble making moron, who takes full advantage of a weak people.
"liberal muslims"
Oxymoron i would suggest. So called moderate muslims have views that are a long long way from what the civilised world would describe as liberal (or anyones definition of liberal)
Hes a troublemaker pure and simple. The march will be cancelled on the basis of "public order", so that will be that
Those against the war should be able to explain where we would be with a fully operating al quaeda state operating as a huge training and recruiting ground for any number of suicide bombers intent on genocide for all "non believers"
Happy – I do not condone them at all and the leader of the group is, how can I put this in an open forum, an oxnoxious individual.
I chose my words very carefully namely "taking their points on face value" basing my comments on the "justification" he made in his press release.
However I still stand by my initial premise that freedom of speech and expression, no matter how obnoxious it may be, should be paramount.
After all if we ban their right to protest does that make us any better than, for example, the Iranian Government who ban opposition protests?
It is a price we have to pay for living in a so called democratic society.
"liberal muslims"
Oxymoron i would suggest. So called moderate muslims have views that are a long long way from what the civilised world would describe as liberal (or anyones definition of liberal)
Clive – I think that is unfair on the majority of Musilms.
It is no different than tarring all Christians extremeists because of the extreme views of Stephen Green and Christian Voice.
I know many Musilms and most, if not all of them, condem the extreme interpretaions of the faith
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