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…Says the man who believes the sun shines out of Jonjo’s [expletive].
Stupid analogy Ginge! Thats like comparing you to me! Jonjo is a legend,a true racing legend and there isn’t many of us who fall into true legendary categories,certainly not your good self with all due respect.you are to hindsight what I am to foresight like Honest John is to Honesty what Jonjo is to dishonesty!
I have no wish to give myself (or be thought of by anyone as having) "legendary" status.
I presume the qualification of legend here is someone who continually runs horses under unsuitable conditions – wrong ground, wrong distance? A person who is only concerned with keeping himself and his entourage happy. Your average punter and the image of racing would be the last things on his mind. It amazes me how the media have managed to allow him to get away with this cheeky chappie persona for so long. You would have a better chance of breaking into Fort Knox than getting any useful information out of Jackdaws. The Duke was never that media friendly but at least he had his annual Open Day. That stopped instantly when Jonjo took over. There is nothing open about the man.
Fairplay to John Gosden for being so affable with the ludicrous demands of the press. He rarely seems to lose his temper in spite of the ridiculous pressure he and other trainers are under.
Imagine being him in the run-up to a major event (or even Tuesday evenings at Nottingham!), with the Racing Post, C4, Sporting Life, ATR, RUK and goodness knows how many other interested parties trying to pin him down for a soundbite while trying to run a business, map targets for his horses and actually have a personal life as well.
I know there are plenty of PR benefits to being so approachable, but I’m sure I would have my phone off the hook and spend my time at the races dodging Rishi Persad if I was in his position. Gosden even goes beyond the time-honoured Pipe Family autopilot tactics, where all interviews are some combination of "we’ll have to wait and see", "we think he’s a nice horse" and "he’s been working well at home", "k thanx bai".
JG comes across as a very patient and kind man. Sure, he’s not going to tell you exactly how many pounds in hand one of his horses has, but which trainer would?
John’s honesty after the Greenham may have been applauded by some but imo it was an attempt to sort of blackmail the ground staff at Newmarket to turn the taps on, as you can imagine the uproar if Kingman unbeaten at the time dubbed the next Frankel didn’t run. The going might not have been fast but the firm in the going description was enough to call John’s bluff or did Kingman only run on the good (good in places) part of the course?
I also agree with Gord about the comments made after the Irish Guineas about he would have pulled the horse out if a handicap had been run on the same bit of turf beforehand, behaviour of a spoilt brat.
For me Gosden has come across like ‘if I don’t don’t get things my way I’m taking my ball home’ attitude.
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John’s honesty after the Greenham may have been applauded by some but imo it was an attempt to sort of blackmail the ground staff at Newmarket to turn the taps on, as you can imagine the uproar if Kingman unbeaten at the time dubbed the next Frankel didn’t run. The going might not have been fast but the firm in the going description was enough to call John’s bluff or did Kingman only run on the good (good in places) part of the course?
Nathan,
So you’d rather Gosden said nothing after the Greenham and then when the going came up Firm on Guineas day pulled Kingman out? How does that help ante-post punters? Both you and Gord would’ve blown your tops, accusing him of putting punters away bynot
warning them.
He’s damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t.
Be sensible, or should that be Captain Sensible?Value Is EverythingGentlemen of this forum,I am a fair and reasonable guy I respect anyone who tells it as they see it but what I dont tolerate are those who think we the Racing Public are stupid,I use the word Stupid rather than gullible,because the likes of John Gosden talk down to us in his patronising,condescending,arrogant tones as though we are pupils and he is the Teacher.Trouble is he teaches,no preaches contradiction and it was his ridiculous remarks on Saturday that fired me up yet again.The Curragh racing staff,sponsers and racegoers alike turned up to see
Kingman
,they wanted to see a potential Champion,a horse connections have always held in the highest regard but in a Whimsical moment of madness, Big John under the influence of a stiffener decided he’s going to dampen everyones spirits by suggesting he may pull his runner out of the big race.All eyes on Big John walking the course,panic amongst the Ante-Post brigade but that goes with the territory when you back a Gosden horse more than 5 minutes before the off."What on earth could be the problem"? Everyone asks."I’m not happy with the ground" comes the reply from someone so wrapped up in himself that he forgets Heavy ground at the Curragh is a regular occurence.Strange comment for one who said straight after the Newmarket Guineas he’d wished it had rained all week during the build up.Contrary? I think so but alas No it wasn’t those ridiculous comments that got my goat it was his pathetic remarks about how he was prepared to take ‘Kingman’ out of the big race because he didn’t want to run his horse on ground other horses had dare tread on prior to the chosen ones charge running.That comment will stick with him,he showed total disregard for all those behind the scenes working their butts off to ensure a fair and equal track for all but like I’ve pointed out on numerous occassions before Big John Gosden has his head firmly stuck in a place that truly reflects the verbal Diarrhoea he constantly decorates us with.
As usual you’re not listening Gord but ploughing you’re lone furrow. He didn’t want to run his top horse on extreme ground – same as any other decent trainer wouldn’t. Anyway your post has no relevance. He ran him and he won. What is your problem?
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As usual you’re not listening Gord but ploughing you’re lone furrow. He didn’t want to run his top horse on extreme ground – same as any other decent trainer wouldn’t. Anyway your post has no relevance. He ran him and he won. What is your problem?
My problem dear Joni is the fact he panicked and hindsight shows he was clutching at straws with his ready made excuses…..just in case things turned sour.Did yo actually see the interview with Tracey Piggott where he states he didn’t want to run
Kingman
on ground that had been previously raced on? It was painful viewing watching him talk gibberish,I’ve never heard so much rubbish come out of his mouth and he’s created a tip or two in his time.
Gentlemen of this forum,I am a fair and reasonable guy I respect anyone who tells it as they see it but
what I dont tolerate are those who think we the Racing Public are stupid,I use the word Stupid rather than gullible,because the likes of John Gosden talk down to us in his patronising,condescending,arrogant tones as though we are pupils and he is the Teacher.Trouble is he teaches,no preaches contradiction and it was his ridiculous remarks on Saturday that fired me up yet again.The Curragh racing staff,sponsers and racegoers alike turned up to see
Kingman
,they wanted to see a potential Champion,a horse connections have always held in the highest regard but in a Whimsical moment of madness, Big John under the influence of a stiffener decided he’s going to dampen everyones spirits by suggesting he may pull his runner out of the big race.All eyes on Big John walking the course,panic amongst the Ante-Post brigade but that goes with the territory when you back a Gosden horse more than 5 minutes before the off."What on earth could be the problem"? Everyone asks."I’m not happy with the ground" comes the reply from someone so wrapped up in himself that he forgets Heavy ground at the Curragh is a regular occurence.Strange comment for one who said straight after the Newmarket Guineas he’d wished it had rained all week during the build up.Contrary? I think so but alas No it wasn’t those ridiculous comments that got my goat it was his pathetic remarks about how he was prepared to take ‘Kingman’ out of the big race because he didn’t want to run his horse on ground other horses had dare tread on prior to the chosen ones charge running.That comment will stick with him,he showed total disregard for all those behind the scenes working their butts off to ensure a fair and equal track for all but like
I’ve pointed out on numerous occassions before Big John Gosden has his head firmly stuck in a place that truly reflects the verbal Diarrhoea he constantly decorates us with.
Do shut up about what a great guy you are Gord, in my experience those who keep banging on about how "fair, reasonable and respectful" they are go on to proove themselves none of the above. As it does here, on your stupid charater assasination of Gosden.
You claim it was Gosden who did not want to run Nathaniel when it was his owners.
You don’t (apparently) understand how a horse (Kingman) with two year old injuries that when subsequently running on firm puts a bigger risk of injury. Therefore the trainer does not want to run the horse on "fast" ground… And why Gosden wanted it to rain at Newmarket.
You don’t (apparently) understand that running on heavy ground (particularly when it has already been raced on) puts an increased emphasis on stamina. Am surprised you do not understand how racing on heavy going poaches the ground and subsequently makes it more stamina sapping for those racing on the same ground. Kingman appeared to falter close home at Newmarket even on Good-firm good in places and afterwards connections felt it wise to enter the horse in the (6f) July Cup just in case he wasn’t a miler. So AFTER NEWMARKET stamina was a worry for connections in Ireland.
You don’t (apparently) realise why opinions rightly change from race to race, with more evidence. Before Newmarket there were valid reasons for Gosden wanting it to rain and why in Ireland he was concerned with heavy.Your last sentance applies squarely to yourself Gord.
Suspect your dislike of Gosden is because he is a better orator than you Gord and obviously more knowledgeable.
Value Is EverythingGosden is a fine trainer and a very interesting man to listen to. One of the few trainers worth listening to.
Gorde, or whatever he calls himself, is lodged so far up his own sphincter at times. Just palpable nonsense.
Gentlemen of this forum,I am a fair and reasonable guy I respect anyone who tells it as they see it
Do shut up about what a great guy you are Gord.
Suspect your dislike of Gosden is because he is a better orator than you Gord and obviously more knowledgeable.
I respect your opinion Ginge but do get your quotes right mate,I have never said I was a Great guy,never ever as I am way too modest.As for Gosden being a better orator than me!!
Ginge,dear boy I tell it as it is,Gosden tells us quite clearly as it isn’t.This will go straight over your head but it wouldn’t surprise me if Teddy Grim told Big John that if the horse was well he’s running and to stop being a whingeing wash out! Gentlemen of this forum,I am a fair and reasonable guy I respect
Just saying you are Gord, doesn’t make it true.
Value Is EverythingI can picture it now Royal Ascot Tuesday. Toronado wins the Queen Anne by 9 lengths Hughes motionless. Richard Hannon tells everyone it’s the Sussex Stakes next.
An hour later Kingman with a trademark turn of foot puts the St James Palace stakes to bed by 5 lengths Doyle easing up with 100 yards to go.
They put the question of a dual on the downs mark 3 to Gosden who answers ‘Ascot have down a terrific job in the order the races have been run and the perfect ground provided. I’m not sure about the Sussex with Kingman yet, we took Ravens Pass there and he would of won but for the race being ran on the second day with all those handicaps races and horses running on the same grass on day 1, in hindsight I should of pulled Ravens out. Kingman wont be running if the ground is firm, fast, soft or heavy, he will only run on good ground but I’ll have to walk the course first even if the ground is good because the hoof prints from the previous days racing on the stretch of grass could cause problems’…….Gaelic Warrior Gold Cup Winner 2026
I can picture it now Royal Ascot Tuesday. Toronado wins the Queen Anne by 9 lengths Hughes motionless. Richard Hannon tells everyone it’s the Sussex Stakes next.
An hour later Kingman with a trademark turn of foot puts the St James Palace stakes to bed by 5 lengths Doyle easing up with 100 yards to go.
They put the question of a dual on the downs mark 3 to Gosden who answers ‘Ascot have down a terrific job in the order the races have been run and the perfect ground provided. I’m not sure about the Sussex with Kingman yet, we took Ravens Pass there and he would of won but for the race being ran on the second day with all those handicaps races and horses running on the same grass on day 1, in hindsight I should of pulled Ravens out. Kingman wont be running if the ground is firm, fast, soft or heavy, he will only run on good ground but I’ll have to walk the course first even if the ground is good because the hoof prints from the previous days racing on the stretch of grass could cause problems’…….That Nath is word perfect.Strange how the goody 2 shoes on here Joni and Ginge look at the world of Racing through Rose tinted glasses and are succoured into believing the utter drivel John Gosden is fast becoming famous for. I bet he’s written to the BHA telling them that in future any Group 1 race he has a horse in must be the first race on the card as that is basically what he was saying at the Curragh on Saturday.The proviso attached reads I have the right to withdraw any horse at anytime for whatever reason I care to choose and you cant do a damn thing about it.Big Johns 25 gallon Stetsons a popular sight on Newmarket Heath…….Spraying Manure over the gallops,he only has to open his mouth to fill it up!
That Nath is word perfect.Strange how the goody 2 shoes on here Joni and Ginge look at the world of Racing through Rose tinted glasses and are succoured into believing the utter drivel John Gosden is fast becoming famous for. I bet he’s written to the BHA telling them that in future any Group 1 race he has a horse in must be the first race on the card as that is basically what he was saying at the Curragh on Saturday.The proviso attached reads I have the right to withdraw any horse at anytime for whatever reason I care to choose and you cant do a damn thing about it.Big Johns 25 gallon Stetsons a popular sight on Newmarket Heath…….Spraying Manure over the gallops,he only has to open his mouth to fill it up!
May be it is because Joni and I understand what affects form, so understand why Gosden made those comments… Where as you are just a mug punter wanting to blame others.
As you haven’t even tried to counter any of my logical explanation Gord, may be with you it’s a case of…
Boo hoo, Gosden’s taken out a horse I’ve backed ante-post.
Boo hoo, Gosden must have an ulterior motive.
Boo hoo, Gosden is a *******.
Boo hoo, I’ll criticise everything Gosden does from now on.
Boo hoo, Gosden is a *******.
Boo hoo, Gosden is a *******.
Boo hoo, Gosden is a *******.
Boo hoo, if I say it enough may be I’ll even start to believe it myself.
Boo hoo, Gosden is a *******. Value Is Everythingunderstand what affects form
Nothing to do with form here ginge, it’s about the guys arrogant manner, that’s Gosden’s manner not Gord by the way….
O’Brien pulled War Command out no fuss, no whining, no lecture on how a course should have it’s ground or what place the race should be run on in the card.
Gosden on the other hand is trying to dictate and manipulate what the ground should be and what card running order the races should be ran.
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Up to you Ginger but they can seemingly make themselves look foolish without too much help. Just extending the thread almost gives it some credibility.
When it comes to hot air they make the Montgolfiers look like a pair of also rans.
Nath and Gord you are letting yourselves down here boys and anyone with a modicum of sense can see it. It’s actually a waste of time talking to you because you have made up your minds.
I notice there are no threads this week on John Oxx even though he pulled out My Titania at the last minute on account of the ground. What about Aiden and War Command? Or Jim Bolger and Parish Hall? Or ALL the other trainers who withdrew their runners at the weekend? Talk sense.
Lets imagine the conversation YOU would like John G to have with his owner:
I’m sorry Prince K but I AM going to run him on that hard ground because a lot of punters backed him several weeks ago and I really don’t want to let them down………yes I know he had leg problems last year but my priority HAS to be with the punters………yes I know you pay the bills and send me horses worth millions of pounds every year but I must NOT upset the Ante Post brigade…….sorry but that’s my final word on the matter……
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