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I was surprised to hear Guido Fawkes being quoted as a reliable source on Newsnight last night – Guido Fawkes has an agenda and the numbers can’t be relied on.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"“They’d probably all go out and vote Tory, though, just to get their own back on me!”
There is also the possibility it would increase the vote of the BNP, so be careful what you wish for.
Guido does have an agenda but he is usually a reliable source on those sort of matters.
Given the febrile – to put it mildly – nature of politics at present I left an order overnight of 17.0 a general election this year, which has been accommodated. An unlikely event admittedly but a 16/1 winner is er… ‘unlikely’ so is value enough for me
Putting mental health considerations aside in cold, calculating betting mode, I’m rather hoping Johnson returns, the opposition force a vote of no confidence, and those Tories who can’t stand Bozo are true to their word and vote with the opposition. Bingo, an election around three years to the day in early December
As for voting I’m with those who view it as a public and moral duty. “People died to give us that right” is a cliche but the truest of truisms nonetheless. Spoil your ballot paper if you wish but at least get out there and do it
Compulsory voting a no-no as it sends a message to the public-at-large that they require coercion to perform a simple public duty
Stranger things have happened, Drone.
And yes, CAS, I should be careful what I wish for – Liz Truss winning being one of them.
I’m glad she’s trashed her Party’s election chances but I didn’t think she’d manage to trash the actual country so much in such a short space of time.
Imagine if she’d stuck to her guns and it had been her and Kami-Kwasi right through to January 2025.
Complete volte face from me – I really want Sunak to win it now, don’t like him, think he’s more right wing than many realise, but he would be a calming influence on the financial markets in a way Johnson wouldn’t be and Mordaunt hasn’t the right technocrat profile to be tbh.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"I still cannot see it happening. Booting someone out for being unfitted to be Prime Minister in the summer, only to welcome him back in the autumn. It cannot happen, can it?
Maybe a lot of Conservative MPs have figured they are in last chance saloon and have decided to have one final desperate throw of the dice. I think they are right to conclude that defeat under Sunak or Mordaunt is a certainty. Hence their huge gamble on Johnson being more popular in the country than he is outside the Westminster bubble. They probably think they have nothing left to lose and may as well go down all guns blazing with someone who does at least win elections at the forefront.
Perhaps they are thinking along the same lines as Toby Young in yesterday’s “Daily Sceptic”, which I mischievously post here because I know it will cause the collective blood pressure to rise:
“The reason Boris is so unpopular with the Establishment – the reason he brings certain members of the ruling class out in hives – is because he’s the embodiment of Merrie England. They detest his devil-may-care attitude, his disregard for conventional morality, the fact that he has three wives and god knows how many children. He’s Sid James and Falstaff and Benny Hill rolled into one. He’s a saucy seaside postcard come to life. Watching all the purse-lipped puritans rub their bony hands with glee after Boris’s demise turned my stomach and I’d like nothing more than to see Billy Bunter cock a snook at them as he barrels back into Downing Street. It would be like the restoration of Charles II, except the Interregnum will only have lasted six weeks.”
This idea that Johnson and his ilk are not part of the ‘Establishment’ is complete rubbish. I don’t know exactly who or what the Establishment is but if I had to guess I’m fairly sure that Prime Ministers (and indeed all MPs) and the Tory party form part of it. As do newspapers which is another of his former jobs. What is the ‘ruling class’ if not the Commons, Lords and Monarchy?
Guido reporting 52 each for Sunak and Johnson now.
Also, the Conservative Party website appears to have deleted anything to do with Truss. Even an attempt to purchase an “In Liz We Truss” mug returns a 404 error. I would have thought they were desperate to offload them at a knock down price.
The title of this thread looks a bit optimistic now…
The Truss mugs will be getting destroyed in the style of Alan Partridge’s Bouncing Back memoir.
“I was surprised to hear Guido Fawkes being quoted as a reliable source on Newsnight last night”
I’m not; the BBC often gives far too much importance to rightwing loons, going back to the excessive airtime it gave Farage before both the Brexit vote and subsequent GE.
Another by-election upcoming, as the MP for City of Chester has just resigned.
It should be an easy hold for Labour. It used to be a classic marginal seat but I think the days of the Conservatives winning it are over.
It will be more interesting to see what happens to the Conservative share of the vote, which is still around 40%. Any significant collapse might make a few MPs start to worry.
Ok lads and ladies you’ve won be over, I’ll be spoiling my ballot from here on out until someone/some party comes along that doesn’t seem to hold us in utter contempt.
Fair play Ben, if more people listened to constructive criticism and considered the facts properly we probably wouldn’t be in this mess.
To my mind ‘none of the above’ is a perfectly valid choice but you don’t express that view properly by not voting.
Make sure you’re still properly registered, you never know when an election might be happening. I hope soon, and not just because Drone had a punt!
Sorry to pour cold water on it but I do not see a General Election happening soon. Maybe it should happen morally but there is no legal or constitutional requirement.
Starmer was obviously going to call for an election yesterday but he knows he cannot make it happen. Even the controversial fracking vote was won easily by the government.
As long as the incoming Prime Minister can command a majority and win a confidence vote, there is no way a General Election can happen.
If Sunak wins they’ll very likely survive to 2024. Johnson, who knows. If he falls foul of the standards enquiry and has to go there is surely no other option. There is talk of resignations and defections if he gets it but how much of that is talk? I doubt they’ll be so keen when it comes to it.
“Fair play Ben, if more people listened to constructive criticism and considered the facts properly we probably wouldn’t be in this mess.”
Indeed Richard, I’ve always enjoyed finding out I’m wrong on something becsause it’s how we learn and become better all-round people. Like you said it’s a shame the majority don’t seem to think the same way we do, I guess ego gets in the way most of the time, funnily enough that’s actually the main reason me and the ex of 3 years split up in the summer, she’d never been wrong in her life!!
“There is talk of resignations and defections if he gets it but how much of that is talk? I doubt they’ll be so keen when it comes to it.”
I am sure it is just talk. They will go into survival mode.
How many MPs who cross the floor keep their seats at the next election? They usually have to find another constituency.
Look at the MPs who founded that ludicrous Change UK party. Every single one of them lost their seats at the last election.
Turkeys do not vote for Christmas.
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