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    I bet she wishes this had been deleted.

    #1617063
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    The general consensus about Kwarteng’s speech today was that it was underwhelming.

    Not catastrophic but any means, but singularly uninspiring and lacklustre.

    We will never know for sure how he would have sounded if the last ten days – and especially the last 24 hours – hadn’t been such a nightmare for his policies, but he just didn’t sound terribly convincing to me.

    Fair?

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    For one thing, he said ‘the plan of 10 years ago’ instead of 10 days but corrected himself. Was it a Freudian slip because he was referring to the plan he and Truss wrote about in Britannia Unchained? He started off by making light of the damage he did to the economy, describing it as a ‘distraction’. He then went on to talk about deregulating everything and banning people from taking strike action. If it wasn’t for the fact that I don’t think this government can last much longer I’d find his speech pretty scary.

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    Since my head bounced off a bankbrokeciti pavement on a wet Friday last week – I feel quite different. My personality may have changed and I am certainly a lot quieter and more serious – possibly depressed. However in the words of Johnny Nash I can see clearer now the rain has gone, and those lobes of learning shaken, rattled, and rolled, may have left me with great balls of fiery intuitive wisdom.

    Truss has got quite a combative personality and possibly she does get things done. Problem is those are not the things that necessarily make a good PM, or one who commands respect and a public following. They are stuck with her now, for however long, but they all realise, even her supporters, she is far from being the complete package. She has been found out. I do admire her PLUCK but she looked a little tired of late and little wonder.

    Thank you Corky for showing her young blood. Almost as precocious as the young Hague, but better looking.

    Fair ? – Yes

    The ten year mistake – well picked up Moe if you have cracked that :good:

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    Tory Party Conferences are played out to deferential nodding dog audiences – in fact if you put a member of said canine species on stage it would get a standing ovation itself.

    But this speech was so awkward the audience found it difficult to even know how to react.

    When Kwasi Kwarteng said “a little turbulence” a few initially started to laugh weakly, assuming it to be a bit of attempted ironic wit after the apocalyptic scenes of the last week on the financial markets.

    But the laughs were isolated and they soon stopped – after all, the idea is to laugh WITH their leaders, not AT them and they just weren’t sure whether he was being serious or not.

    I just ended up thinking what my Dad used to remark after seeing so many of these dull-witted Tory speakers: “what a waste of a private education.”

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    I watched the speech on mute. In fact the TV was turned off entirely. And I wasn’t even in the same room as the TV when the speech was on. Not that I actually know when it was on.

    For the record, that applies equally to every party conference ever. Fair play to others sitting through them so I don’t have to.

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    The increasingly dodgy memory might be playing tricks but I seem to recall these tortuous conferences plus the TUC conference being broadcast live in their near-entirety in the not too dim and distant past, on BBC2 and maybe later on the Parliament Channel. So be grateful for the small mercy of just the ‘highlights’ nowadays

    The Labour conference seemed to consist of pipesmoke-fugged debates on ‘Composites’ pronounced ‘composytes’

    Elizabeth the Worst isn’t a natural blonde then. I much prefer the mousy pudgy teenage version

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    Yes, they were broadcast live. Sometimes simultaneously on the BBC and Channel 4.

    I am sure I can remember Channel 4 racing from the Newmarket October meeting being split into two halves because it was vital to show the Prime Minister’s speech.

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    Liz knifes Penny for the Leadership, Penny nevertheless knifes Rishi to get in Liz’s Cabinet, Penny knifes Liz – lovely!

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    It has been said about the House of Commons that the Opposition is in front of you but your enemies are behind you.

    In the clip of Liberal Democrat Truss, I do rather like it when she raises her voice and angrily jabs her finger to make what she clearly thought was an important point – and gets absolutely no reaction from the audience whatsoever.

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    Is it possible to be a PM who is prepared to be unpopular one day and a listening (ie caving in to pressure) government the next?

    The two seem exclusive positions to hold to me.

    I’d wanted Truss to be PM to boost Labour’s election chances, but never in my wildest dreams/nightmares had I expected her to be quite so bad quite so fast.

    I assume Mordaunt must have a very safe seat because I think she’s about ready to exact a revenge on Truss (and the Mail) which will put Starmer in No 10.

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    Mordaunt seems to have developed a social conscience and is saying welfare benefits shouldn’t be cut. I wonder what her voting record on social issues looks like…

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    Moe, it’s long odds on ‘if you don’t like my principles, I have others’ in my book.

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    Blind Dave said something about a U turn
    are they bringing back the school milk.. :bye:

    Blackbeard to conquer the World

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    Truss is already dead in the water , all the missing faces from the conference and tittle-tattle at the bars confirms she’s already on life support …..the only question is when they pull the plug

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    The various factions, within the Tory party, are already at war. It looks increasingly likely there’s yet another ‘battle’ of wills and direction, going on.

    Under Johnson, forced by covid, they basically developed into Labour ‘Light’ on many issues, esp the financial aspects. Some commentators saying Johnson’s government was very Right Wing, just because of Brexit, was and still is utter tosh.

    Truss and her disciples want a return to Right-wing policies, but there’s a powerful rump within the Party’s MPs that see a continuation of battling on Labour’s natural ‘turf’ as a safer way to claw back lost votes.

    The biggest issue i see with the huge middle ground voters, is peeps now expect support from HMG whenever it is deemed possible.

    Furlough effectively gave voters a green light to expect money support over other big events, like cost of living, energy bills, and you can bet the clamour will grow for Mortgage payment support in the coming months.
    None of this was seen back in the late 70s or early 80s or
    Even during 2008 financial crisis.

    Covid and furlough has spawned a sentiment of entitlement whenever things get tough. A surefire sea-change in peeps’ demands.

    Prioritising future spend, sacrificing some luxuries, wait til you can afford to purchase – all behaviours instilled in me from my late teens, and in most people brought up in the 70s/80s, seems to have disappeared from millions of people in the UK.

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    “Mordaunt seems to have developed a social conscience”

    I’d say pure revenge is more likely.

    She was odds-on to be PM herself, before Truss’s allies on The Daily Mail got stuck into her.

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