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    Avatar photoGerald
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    Do/did these mean something in particular?

    There don’t seem to be as many round as there used to be.

    The most common seem to be II (not surprisingly), IV and VII.

    When I was a kid I thought that Nijinsky was known in America as Nijinsky II because there was one already. But now, I gain the impression that they mean that the horse came from a certain country or continent, or are a particular kind of horse.

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    I remember being told ages ago that the IV suffix was something to do with the stud book and that the dam of the horse concerned was not 100% thorough bred.

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    VI means the horse is not in the General Stud Book, and is technically not a full TB. These horses go into the Weatherbys NTR (Non-TB-Register). Used to be very common in Ireland, though many on those horses were in fact 100% TB, just they had a dam, grand dam, or great grand dam that someone never got around to registering.

    VII is more or less the same thing, but is for horses that didn’t race and are just breeding stock.

    IV not sure what that one means.

    II is an American thing I believe, it is used to distinguish imported horses that have the same name as an American bred horse. I think it is only used with stallions though, and in fact may not be used anymore. There was a race at Fairplex in California a couple of years ago with two horses with the same name, one US bred and one Irish bred. Don’t remember seeing a II after the name of the Irish bred one. I think it’s unnecessary now given that horses invariably have the country suffix (IRE, GB, USA, FR etc) after there names.

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    Thanks, The Vintner.

    Hors La Loi is the only III I can think of offhand, and his dam was a III as well.

    I’ll see if I can find a comprehensive explanation on the Internet, but I’m not hopeful.

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    Thanks, The Vintner.

    Hors La Loi is the only III I can think of offhand, and his dam was a III as well.

    I’ll see if I can find a comprehensive explanation on the Internet, but I’m not hopeful.

    Interestingly Hors la Loi’s full siblings, Loup and Ouest have no numerals after their names, so I wonder if the "III" was just part of his name. He was not a full TB, being a French bred AQPS. He also raced with the III in France, so it’s not something that was added when he crossed the channel.

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