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  • #333426
    Avatar photoBosranic
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    We’re yet to see

    Go All The Way

    this season.

    His inexperience arguably cost him a debut success at Punchestown in April, where he split recent and future winners, Bishopsfurze and Kid Cassidy.

    He was purchased by Philip Hobbs for £310,000 at the Spring HIT sales for Alan Potts, owner of Sizing Europe.

    A very nice prospect. Any news?

    #335367
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    I do believe that Cue Card deserves to be head of the market based on what he has achieved thus far, Zaidpour you can forgive his run at Leopardstown, as Willie Mullins said the horse ran flat, and it did appear to be the case.

    However, one thing niggling at me since the International hurdle is how little Cue Card found off the bridle when asked to go about his business, and maybe he still needs another year to settle in the early part of his races. I think he maybe a little too short for the supreme, and with that blot on his copy book at Leopardstown I still think there may be more questions than answers about Zaidpour.

    One horse that impressed me thus far was Alan King’s Iolith, you would have to discount his two runs last season as King’s horses were dreadfully out of form. His two victories this season were in ordinary enough affairs, run in slow enough times, but it was the manner in which he won. He wasn’t overly flashy, but he travels very well and he is quick over his hurdles.

    Contrary to what Mr Grayson said on Timeform radio, I think he will be more suited to a galloping track and a stronger pace, he had a full brother that won over 12f, so I think he should be suited to a strongly run 2mile race.

    Alan King said his next run will be up in grade, I guess that will be the acid test, I think he is lively outsider to a race that doesn’t have huge strength in depth at the moment.

    JohnJ

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    Yes, Cue Card didn’t find much off the bridle but you have to view that in the context of the race. In a race which turned into something of a sprint he chased home a much more experienced horse who is almost favourite for the Champion Hurdle. I don’t recall any other novice (who hasn’t run on the Flat) going to post for a Supreme having taken on similar opposition after only two runs over hurdles. I wouldn’t back him now at 5/2 but I certainly wouldn’t be looking anywhere else for the winner.

    #335511
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    cue card a cert for the supreme if he runs. rock on ruby is mega progressive and must be followed – i think he should be fav for the neptune – solid form in bumpers and very impressive 1st hurdle run beating 2 solid yard sticks. zaidpour cant jump and wants to go right handed so has no chance at cheltenham – most overhyped novice in training. dunraven storm should be 100/1 backspin looks good too and will be a threat – jonjos novice hurdle record at the festival is exceptional he doesnt run anything that doesnt place and the folk on here slagging him off want their heads examining. wichita lineman, bjk both won easy, gmooh unlucky 2nd keen leader fell when would have won rhinestone 3rd in ch as novice. cant remember him running anything else

    #335615
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    Stilvi,

    Cue Card fully deserves to be the favourite on what he has achieved and of course his rating of 159 is fully justified based on his alrun. However, in an attempt to look for some value and the chance that Cue Card does not run to form, I am interested in horses that have the potential to improve to a mark of high 140 low 150. This type of improvement should be within the reach of a good novice.

    JohnJ

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    Article form irishracing.com about The Real Article, seems Aintree is his most likely destination:

    ~~Trainer Edward O’Grady has revealed plans for his promising and unbeaten gelding The Real Article, mentioning Aintree as a target rather than Cheltenham.
    The six-year-old has been given an entry in Cheltenham’s Supreme Novices’ Hurdle but is far from certain to line up at this stage.

    "He will probably run at the end of February or more likely early March," said O’Grady.

    "His entry in the Supreme is more of a ‘just in case’ entry than anything else and the chances are that he might be more likely to go to Aintree.

    "That was my original plan but trainers can change their minds, so we’ll see.

    "He’ll work fairly soon and then we’ll decide where we run him. If he ran at the end of February, then the possibility of running at Cheltenham would certainly be live. But if he doesn’t run until the end of March, then Aintree would be the more obvious place to go.

    "He’s won four out of four and we decided to give him a break to wait for the better ground. It’s a pity really as he’s missing all the Graded races that I would love to be running him in, but at the same time I’m happy it was the correct decision as he’s definitely a better horse on better ground."~~

    #339247
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    No word on Staying Article?

    He doesn’t hold any Cheltenham entries. I was wondering if he had a setback or if he had been sold.

    #339250
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    No word on Staying Article?

    He doesn’t hold any Cheltenham entries. I was wondering if he had a setback or if he had been sold.

    Pretty sure I read he was never certain to travel and likely to kept for Punchestown etc.

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    Any views on So Young who bolted up at Punchestown this afternoon and his likely Festival target?

    #339638
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    I like him very much and have backed him for the Neptune at 12/1, admittedly a bit risky as he looks quick enough to be a viable contender in the Supreme. Hopefully on balance given the standard of opposition and Willie’s other options the Neptune is the more likely.
    Anyone got any updates on a confirmed or at least preferred target, IC you usually have an informed viewpoint…any news?

    #339639
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    Cheers Shabby
    I’ve not seen todays race yet, but hold the same view as you that Neptune is the likely target but am waiting for confirmation (or NRNB) before investing

    #339648
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    I like him very much and have backed him for the Neptune at 12/1, admittedly a bit risky as he looks quick enough to be a viable contender in the Supreme. Hopefully on balance given the standard of opposition and Willie’s other options the Neptune is the more likely.
    Anyone got any updates on a confirmed or at least preferred target, IC you usually have an informed viewpoint…any news?

    I can’t locate the quote at the moment but I think Luke McMahon was saying that he’s almost definite for the Neptune. It’s looking like Zaidpour and Day Of A Lifetime will go for the Supreme.

    So Young’s a nice horse but he’s too short now on all known form. The horses he beat today would get lapped at Cheltenham. Of the Irish horses I’d rather First Lieutenant at the prices. He’s got Grade 1 winning form and I have been harping on about him since last spring – see my opening post!

    #339650
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    Fair point IC but First Lueitenant looks a genuine 20-24f horse to me. Since the days of Istabraq I prefer a horse, for the Neptune, who has no problems at 16f (maybe even ends up a 2 miler) and can stretch to the trip on what is basically a tight track with a stiff finish…Hardy, Nicanor, Peddlers even Mikael D’H has yet to be proven as a stayer.
    Agreed the bare form is miles away but So Young does it in the eye, has an interesting French back story and breeding and looks a fine jumper of a hurdle if Leopardstown and today are a guide, finally he is in very good hands.
    I still like the price as I think he has a signifiacntly bigger than 8% chance of winning and if you question the form of the race Bobs Worth won at the end of January he appears very attractive, he will start just about favourite imho.

    #339695
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    Im always suspicious of impressive novice performances, as the strength of the form is usually uncertain.
    But So Young could be the real thing; his win at L’stown reminded me of the first time I saw Golden Cygnet, coming round the final bend with his head in his chest

    #340693
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    I am a big fan of So Young, but I will be very surprised if Oscars Well gets beaten in the Neptune, IMO he looks like very special. He is currently 6-1 and is my big hope of the meeting.

    JohnJ

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    Cue Card definitely running in the Supreme, but with the door to the Champion Hurdle, not fully closed.

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    Cue Card definitely running in the Supreme, but with the door to the Champion Hurdle, not fully closed.

    Mr Tizzard has a strange usage of the word ‘definitely’ I wasn’t previously aware of.

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