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The obvious problem is finding the right jockey. Most of the leading Irish amateurs are hold-up merchants. The horse couldn’t be more straightforward but Hobbs needs to find someone prepared to grind the opposition into the ground.
How about Jamie Codd’s ride on Shaneshill in the Punchestown Champion Bumper? Codd is a huge advantage in the amateur races.
Codd is the best amateur jockey really he just never seemed too bothered about trying to make it as a pro. Happy enough on the point to point scene which he is quite entitled to be. If I had a horse in any type of race I would get codd to ride it ahead of most top professionals. And in relation to the other top amateurs such as Mullins carberry and o Connor, I just think they are experienced enough to be able to judge the pace of a race better than some of the more inexperienced jocks going to fast in front.
According to an interview with Power it looks as if the intention is for Ttebbob to miss Cheltenham in favour of Fairyhouse. Commiserations to those like myself who have done their money but in all honesty you probably knew those bets had already gone west. The jockey was suggesting that when Douvan took him apart he hadn’t recovered from his previous win. That might have contributed but he was beaten so early I am struggling to believe that was the complete explanation. He looks a very fragile talent and as a punter I would be treading with maximum caution until he shows whether or not he can cut it in a competitive race with a bigger field.
Onenightinvienna skips cheltenham for the national aparrently
I read that this morning alright. Disappointing in such that he surely could go next year but I guess, like with Coneygree last year, that owners and trainers are more willing to pitch their horses in at the deep end more readily nowadays. The sentiment being, we have them this year sound, we might not have them next year. It would be some achievement if he could pull it off.
Makes sense, and he did fold very quickly, so I’d agree there might be other issues. I always seen him as more of a Punchestown horse, though it was a pleasant surprise to see him shine, albeit briefly. I managed to lay off most of my bet on him, though left a few quid lying just in case.
Fingers crossed for Punchestown or, potentially, The Powers Gold Cup.
Onenightinvienna skips cheltenham for the national aparrently
Any chance you can give a reference for the quote?
I am biased (see above) but it does seem an unbelievable decision and at the same time a huge kick in teeth for punters. Presumably, this isn’t an overnight decision. The horse has been to the forefront of the National Hunt Chase betting for months so why has Hobbs/owner just let punters waste their money?. As I said earlier the horse did look a National type but however good a jumper he may appear to date he has only had a couple of small field races over fences. Horses with that profile do not run in the National. If the horse wants four and a half miles what was he doing running in a three mile chase round Kempton?
It appears Corals are the only ones to have read the quote as they have generously shunted him out to 16/1.
Onenightinvienna skips cheltenham for the national aparrently
Any chance you can give a reference for the quote?
I am biased (see above) but it does seem an unbelievable decision and at the same time a huge kick in teeth for punters. Presumably, this isn’t an overnight decision. The horse has been to the forefront of the National Hunt Chase betting for months so why has Hobbs/owner just let punters waste their money?. As I said earlier the horse did look a National type but however good a jumper he may appear to date he has only had a couple of small field races over fences. Horses with that profile do not run in the National. If the horse wants four and a half miles what was he doing running in a three mile chase round Kempton?
I seen this posted elsewhere – Onenightinvienna – Hobbs said he sidesteps Cheltenham. Instead, Onenightinvienna will run in this year’s Crabbie’s Grand National as a novice via one more run. “He’s qualified and that’s where we’re going,” he said. “He runs in the West Tip colours, so it would be some story, but that’s not the reason we’re doing it, of course. Some people might be surprised but that’s the plan.
Onenightinvienna skips cheltenham for the national aparrently
Any chance you can give a reference for the quote?
I am biased (see above) but it does seem an unbelievable decision and at the same time a huge kick in teeth for punters. Presumably, this isn’t an overnight decision. The horse has been to the forefront of the National Hunt Chase betting for months so why has Hobbs/owner just let punters waste their money?. As I said earlier the horse did look a National type but however good a jumper he may appear to date he has only had a couple of small field races over fences. Horses with that profile do not run in the National. If the horse wants four and a half miles what was he doing running in a three mile chase round Kempton?
I seen this posted elsewhere – Onenightinvienna – Hobbs said he sidesteps Cheltenham. Instead, Onenightinvienna will run in this year’s Crabbie’s Grand National as a novice via one more run. “He’s qualified and that’s where we’re going,” he said. “He runs in the West Tip colours, so it would be some story, but that’s not the reason we’re doing it, of course. Some people might be surprised but that’s the plan.
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That sounds completely out of character for Hobbs, almost bordering on the bolshy. So just why is he doing it? Everything should be in the best interests of the horse. He is around 10/1 for the National Hunt Chase and 50/1 for the Grand National. Hobbs has always appeared to be a realist. To the outside it just looks like self indulgent rubbish from the owner. If the horse needs to go for a National this season why not win the National Hunt Chase and then go Scottish National? Under rules he has never taken on more than 9 rivals and if he ran in the National next year as an eight-year-old he would be one of the youngest in the field.
At the end of the day it is this sort of nonsense that makes ante-post less and less appealing. An owner can go wherever he wants and he has no obligation to tell anyone but when someone does something as left field as this it leaves a very sour taste.
I have been seriously impressed with Ar Mad. One of the most exciting novice chasers in training. Pings his fences, finds when asked and has the potential to be a star.
The left handed issue concerns me slightly, but he has won left handed and is being schooled left handed in prep for Cheltenham, so they must believe he has a chance.
The market is shallow. You have Lami Serge who looks to want sft/hvy ground (which we may get at this rate). You then have Vaniteux @ 10/1, who Ar Mad beat, and then Ar Mad @ 14/1. Ar Mad will most likely make the running and it will be up to the others to catch him from there. Douvan most likley will, but I seriously fancy this horse to run into 2nd. Far more money to be made backing Ar Mad each way than there is Douvan to win at 4/7
I have been seriously impressed with Ar Mad. One of the most exciting novice chasers in training. Pings his fences, finds when asked and has the potential to be a star.
The left handed issue concerns me slightly, but he has won left handed and is being schooled left handed in prep for Cheltenham, so they must believe he has a chance.
The market is shallow. You have Lami Serge who looks to want sft/hvy ground (which we may get at this rate). You then have Vaniteux @ 10/1, who Ar Mad beat, and then Ar Mad @ 14/1. Ar Mad will most likely make the running and it will be up to the others to catch him from there. Douvan most likley will, but I seriously fancy this horse to run into 2nd. Far more money to be made backing Ar Mad each way than there is Douvan to win at 4/7
The analysis of the Henderson pair I would take that at your own peril. I personally think both hendersons horses will beat ar mad and here’s why.
Firstly lami serge I believe is the better of the 2 and as for him preferring soft/heavy I think is very naive. Yes he has mainly ran in those conditions but this isn’t out of choice he just needed to run. He one run he had good ground was the supreme novices which he finished fourth which was slightly disappointing, however, he hit all sorts of trouble and Henderson said he was amazed he still came fourth after that trouble. With a clear run he would of been 2nd at least. So I’m sure he acts on good ground.As for vaniteax, hendersons head lad said before the kempton that vaniteax was their best chance of a winner of Christmas as that’s how highly they think of him. As for the run itself. Vaniteax all but fell/unseated nico at the first fence and then only lost but for ar mad rallying and jumping better at the last after being headed and looking like losing. I’m sure next time they meet vaniteax will beat him and it looks like the bookies agree
I have been seriously impressed with Ar Mad. One of the most exciting novice chasers in training. Pings his fences, finds when asked and has the potential to be a star.
The left handed issue concerns me slightly, but he has won left handed and is being schooled left handed in prep for Cheltenham, so they must believe he has a chance.
The market is shallow. You have Lami Serge who looks to want sft/hvy ground (which we may get at this rate). You then have Vaniteux @ 10/1, who Ar Mad beat, and then Ar Mad @ 14/1. Ar Mad will most likely make the running and it will be up to the others to catch him from there. Douvan most likley will, but I seriously fancy this horse to run into 2nd. Far more money to be made backing Ar Mad each way than there is Douvan to win at 4/7
The analysis of the Henderson pair I would take that at your own peril. I personally think both hendersons horses will beat ar mad and here’s why.
Firstly lami serge I believe is the better of the 2 and as for him preferring soft/heavy I think is very naive. Yes he has mainly ran in those conditions but this isn’t out of choice he just needed to run. He one run he had good ground was the supreme novices which he finished fourth which was slightly disappointing, however, he hit all sorts of trouble and Henderson said he was amazed he still came fourth after that trouble. With a clear run he would of been 2nd at least. So I’m sure he acts on good ground.As for vaniteax, hendersons head lad said before the kempton that vaniteax was their best chance of a winner of Christmas as that’s how highly they think of him. As for the run itself. Vaniteax all but fell/unseated nico at the first fence and then only lost but for ar mad rallying and jumping better at the last after being headed and looking like losing. I’m sure next time they meet vaniteax will beat him and it looks like the bookies agree
We all look and interpret things differently – beauty of this wonderful sport!
I don’t like the ‘niave’ reference. You believing L’ami serge will prefer good ground is an opinion. LS has had limited runs on good ground (as you point out), and lost them both. It is far from niave for me to think a horse who has come over from France and proven on sft/hvy, would prefer sft/hvy over gd/soft. It is no more or no less speculative than your reasoning, although I am basing my opinion on what I have seen, yours in an opinion, so I think you are misplaced in calling my comment niave.
Setting Douvan aside, Ar Mad is rated higher than LS & V, beaten better horses and been far more impressive (IMO) this campaign. That is why I think he will beat them, the comments from Henderson and the head lad don’t really factor into it for me, I am looking at form and ability.
Another nightmare performance from Ttebbob. Never moving with the exuberance that stamped his first two starts. So gone from exciting to dismal very quickly which pretty much sums up the in and out nature of his stable.
I have been seriously impressed with Ar Mad. One of the most exciting novice chasers in training. Pings his fences, finds when asked and has the potential to be a star.
The left handed issue concerns me slightly, but he has won left handed and is being schooled left handed in prep for Cheltenham, so they must believe he has a chance.
The market is shallow. You have Lami Serge who looks to want sft/hvy ground (which we may get at this rate). You then have Vaniteux @ 10/1, who Ar Mad beat, and then Ar Mad @ 14/1. Ar Mad will most likely make the running and it will be up to the others to catch him from there. Douvan most likley will, but I seriously fancy this horse to run into 2nd. Far more money to be made backing Ar Mad each way than there is Douvan to win at 4/7
Ar Mad did well today, in to 8’s. I hope people have taken bigger prices. Fancy this to cause the upset of the meeting and beat Douvan
really?! because he beat 2 horses out of the handicap. Showed his tendency again to jump right and this was under no pressure.
really?! because he beat 2 horses out of the handicap. Showed his tendency again to jump right and this was under no pressure.
I don’t think Ar Mad fans were paying too much attention to him beating 2 inferior horses out of the handicap, or even how the race was run. He was always going to front run, it was all about the jumping – we all know that.
By and large I thought he jumped well. Will need to watch again when I get home from work but apart from the 1st and 3rd (i think), I share the opinion of the Moores that this was an encouraging run and he is Douvan’s main threat come March.
I have to agree with KSS, he won an egg and spoon race today, although
that’s hardly his fault, you can only beat what’s there and he did that
with consummate ease.I like him a lot, but I am concerned the way he has a tendency to occasionally
run down his fences and jump to his right. It’s one thing to do that when
your on your own, and as today, with nothing within 20 lengths of you. He most
certainly won’t have that luxury in the Arkle.If they can sort that problem then he could be in the mix although I don’t
see him getting the better of Douvan if both run to form, but then again it
is the festival and nobody is going to get an easy run, so you couldn’t
rule it out.6/1 looks a bit skinny, but the 9/1 e/w with Betfred looks a pretty sound bet.
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