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Re Aerial dropped 3lbs from previous run. Thought ran to 150 in Paddy power. Only 6 and had 6 runs in chases so on both counts had some improvement. Went toe to toe with The Giant Bolster in previous race who I thought was extremely well handicapped so could forgive last run. Finally, thought Aerial needed a bit of juice in ground and had looked at weather forecast on Fri eve and saw they expected rain which did masterialise. Know official going good but I feel it was on soft side of good
Hope the above makes sense and indicates my thoughts
yorkiedips
Aerial’s form was not so good on Very soft and heavy than it was on good-soft or soft. Last time out run against The Giant Bolster was better than some gave him credit for. In Timeform’s opinion just 1 lb worse than Ascot win, so unlike most in the field was "in form". Lighter raced than most rivals (more chance of improvement) and (as Yorkie says) off a lower mark. The second at odds-on, on good ground (Timeform assessment good-firm) on final start last season might have put punters off. But as he had a breathing problem that day could be forgiven.
Value Is EverythingStilvi,
didn’t you know? Nobody is allowed to be critical on here. There’s a little clique of people who won’t have a word said against anything involving the Turf and also anyone critical of the whip ban.
Never express surprise or dismay about a winner; even if it’s been off the track since Tony Blair was prime minister. A certain egotistical Irish bettor will be on your back immediately.
Maybe you were right about Newbury today, and for that matter Donny: I’ve had the worst afternoon’s punting this year. Put two good prices in the frame but got hammered elsewhere. What exactly was the going? I should have stayed in bed anyway.
If you raise ANY questions about any race on here it’s always ‘pocket talk’, as if this was really an answer for everything.
It took me a few days to be aware of the clique but you probably get that on all forums. There are certain people who attempt to set themselves up on a pedestal and indulge in the childish my post is better than your post behaviour. If you have faith in what you are posting then it is best just to ignore them. Yes, I take exception to the liberal use of the term ‘pocket talk’ as if it somehow negates a valid point.
To an extent it is the nature of the sport that makes it like this, or rather the nature of the punters: go in any betting shop and you will find a clique of middle-aged men who think they know absolutely everything about the Turf. So with this forum.
As we see from Gingertipster’s post, the rule is: I’m allowed to indulge in pocket talk because I know what I’m on about.The only thing I would disagree with there is that age is no barrier to an inflated sense of knowledge. For my money many people on here do little more than talk a good game.
The only thing I would disagree with there is that age is no barrier to an inflated sense of knowledge. For my money many people on here do little more than talk a good game.
You got me Stilvi.
Value Is EverythingRacing forum is policed by ginger tipster and a few others who will jump on the questioning, the doubters who dare draw attention to the rotteness in racing. Make no mistake about it, racing is corrupt to the core.
Racing forum is policed by ginger tipster and a few others who will jump on the questioning, the doubters who dare draw attention to the rotteness in racing. Make no mistake about it, racing is corrupt to the core.
What "rotteness"? What "Corrupt"ion.
Nobody is saying the game is 100% straight Woolf, but "corrupt to the core"
? If it was, then how come myself and many others make an over all profit purely by studying form (no inside info)?If you think the game is corrupt, prove it. Explain yourself, if you can Woolf.
Or is it that when some punters can’t make a profit the game must be bent. They have to blame someone else for their own inadequacies?
I’m no policeman, just someone who doesn’t like forumites maligning others. Particularly people outside the forum who can’t defend themselves.
I’ve criticised some racing people myself on here, who I regard as either corrupt or have done corrupt things, and had other forumites leap to his/their defence. I got in to a heated discussion with Bosranic about one individual. That’s fair enough and only to be expected. It’s a discussion forum Woolf, get over it.
Value Is EverythingRacing forum is policed by ginger tipster and a few others who will jump on the questioning, the doubters who dare draw attention to the rotteness in racing. Make no mistake about it, racing is corrupt to the core.
What "rotteness"? What "Corrupt"ion.
Nobody is saying the game is 100% straight Woolf, but "corrupt to the core"
? If it was, then how come myself and many others make an over all profit purely by studying form (no inside info)?If you think the game is corrupt, prove it. Explain yourself, if you can Woolf.
Or is it that when some punters can’t make a profit the game must be bent. They have to blame someone else for their own inadequacies?
I’m no policeman, just someone who doesn’t like forumites maligning others. Particularly people outside the forum who can’t defend themselves.
I’ve criticised some racing people myself on here, who I regard as either corrupt or have done corrupt things, and had other forumites leap to his/their defence. I got in to a heated discussion with Bosranic about one individual. That’s fair enough and only to be expected. It’s a discussion forum Woolf, get over it.
You’re talking rubbish Ginge. You only have to visit the Betfair forum to see how corrupt to the core this game is.
Honestly, it’s every race.
Mike
only raced on v soft
What form book do you get prof?
in the racing post’s form it looked to me like balgarry was a v soft ground fan.
only raced on v soft
What form book do you get prof?
in the racing post’s form it looked to me like balgarry was a v soft ground fan.
Ginge, I don’t put lots of negative stuff on here. The other week I wrote a paean to the sport which would have outdone Alistair Down!
I’m in profit back to last August, I’ve had a good jumps season as I usually do. I hope next week will be the cherry on the cake. I’m clearly not someone moaning because they are basically a hopeless punter.
But I will make criticisms. Heavily moderated forums – like this one – have a habit of becoming sterile because of a few control freaks who wish to steer the debates in one direction only. As I say, on here there is a sort of robotic objectivism, any dissent is regarded not as a legitimate part of debate but as bad behaviour. This is ridiculous and unacceptable, but perhaps inevitable given the amount of trainspotterish obsessives the sport attracts.Racing forum is policed by ginger tipster and a few others who will jump on the questioning, the doubters who dare draw attention to the rotteness in racing. Make no mistake about it, racing is corrupt to the core.
What "rotteness"? What "Corrupt"ion.
Nobody is saying the game is 100% straight Woolf, but "corrupt to the core"
? If it was, then how come myself and many others make an over all profit purely by studying form (no inside info)?If you think the game is corrupt, prove it. Explain yourself, if you can Woolf.
Or is it that when some punters can’t make a profit the game must be bent. They have to blame someone else for their own inadequacies?
I’m no policeman, just someone who doesn’t like forumites maligning others. Particularly people outside the forum who can’t defend themselves.
I’ve criticised some racing people myself on here, who I regard as either corrupt or have done corrupt things, and had other forumites leap to his/their defence. I got in to a heated discussion with Bosranic about one individual. That’s fair enough and only to be expected. It’s a discussion forum Woolf, get over it.
I agree with Ginge. I have no inside info, I mainly just study the form in the Post and maybe follow up some line of inquiry onthe sporting life archive, yet I make a profit. In my opinion, the thing to remember if you want to make momey at it, is to STAY OUT OF THE RUBBISH. It is in the rubbish that the bentness and the artfulness mainly lies. The further up you go the more straight it is in my opinion. Never bet in a race worth less than five or six grand to the winner and you’ll soon find form is worth something. If you never have another bet on the all-weather you won’t regret it, I promise you.
Racing is institutionally dishonest rather than corrupt. While there is admiration for someone who pulls off a coup, the nature of the game is such that it has to allow certain practices that are of a dubious nature to survive.
It was ever thus.
But I will make criticisms. Heavily moderated forums – like this one – have a habit of becoming sterile because of a few control freaks who wish to steer the debates in one direction only. As I say, on here there is a sort of robotic objectivism, any dissent is regarded not as a legitimate part of debate but as bad behaviour. This is ridiculous and unacceptable, but perhaps inevitable given the amount of trainspotterish obsessives the sport attracts.
"Trainspotterish obsessives", talking about youself again Prof.
I don’t see why you seem to object to someone taking the opposite opinion? Of course you’re going to find people not agreeing with your point of view, that’s the nature of a discussion forum.
There is dissent and then there’s "dissent".
If you come on here and basically accuse someone of being corrupt, it could land both you and Corm in court. So of course he’s got to be very careful and sometimes needs to delete posts. But this forum is hardly "heavily moderated".Value Is Everythinghow come myself and many others make an over all profit purely by studying form (no inside info)?
Have you gone ‘pro’ yet Gingerlad?
Many others? – for your sake and mine (mine!!) I hope not
best regards
Drone – A trainspotter with an anorak fetish
Many – less than 1% of total number of people who place a bet at least once a week.
Maybe the abolition of betting duty has improved things marginally but if there are more than 500 people that make a net profit from backing (laying is a different matter) horses nationwide I should be very surprised.
Who knows and who really cares EF?
I’m sure you remember the Betfair guff pre-flotation outing the ‘fact’ that some small percentage (I forget what) made a profit (net?) with them of 15K or more
To which my response was ‘what percentage make a profit (net) of between a brass farthing and 14.999K
I’m still waiting…
200K turnover, 2K bottom line, bad business?…Sainsbury’s wouldn’t think so
how come myself and many others make an over all profit purely by studying form (no inside info)?
Have you gone ‘pro’ yet Gingerlad?
Many others? – for your sake and mine (mine!!) I hope not
best regards
Drone – A trainspotter with an anorak fetish
Not yet Drone, thank xxx.
As you’ve probably seen, haven’t done very well in 2012 as yet. One or two basic errors and a bit of bad luck. If I do go "pro" this year probably won’t be until May or June.Value Is Everything
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