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- June 4, 2023 at 13:14 #1650476
I’ve decided that I’m going to follow Mountain Road this year, and I thought that his last run offered a bit of promise. He faces a battle to get in here, but I’ve bet him 40-1 ew
June 6, 2023 at 22:17 #1650751I was at Sandown Park the evening Roberto Escobar won the Henry II Stakes and, though it wasn’t the greatest renewal, he displayed the quality you possibly need for this race nowadays.
He carries top weight of 9st12lb and races off an OR of 107, but he isn’t necessarily badly handicapped.
Stable mate Post Impressionist, who did me a good turn at York on his final outing last October, is up 8lb for that, but appeals as the sort who could improve again for this trip and might have been kept under wraps for something like this.
Finally, Hadrianus, a full brother to Pons Aelius, probably won’t get in, but would be fascinating if he did.
I really liked the look of him in the paddock before the Blue Riband Trial at Epsom Downs in April and a step up to 2m might be the making of him.
Uncertain running plans on top of the usual horrendous ante-post margins puts me off getting involved as yet, but such an interesting “Pitman’s Derby.”
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"June 7, 2023 at 00:49 #1650762I can’t quite get my head round the fact that Wise Eagle is top weight for this!
June 7, 2023 at 06:50 #1650764He is, Moehat, joint top weight alongside Roberto Escobar.
He won off 84 at Musselburgh last August, then off 89 at Redcar, he was on 94 when winning a Stakes contest at Pontefract last back end, and went up 4lb for that, but it didn’t stop him winning off 98 at Musselburgh in the Queen’s Cup in April.
Put up to 103 for that, he’s finished runner up to Coltrane (OR 117) in the Sagaro Stakes, so I guess the BHA Handicapper felt there was no choice but to raise Wise Eagle to 107, leaving him 23lb higher than last August.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"June 11, 2023 at 14:28 #1651222An early bet for me here, and I’m with Sir Rumi 25-1 ew
June 25, 2023 at 18:10 #1653588I still haven’t had a bet in this, but I’ve been looking at historical trends, a new horse is on my radar now and, if it’s a confirmed entry tomorrow – plus I like the look of it relative to the probable opposition – I will give it a name.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"June 26, 2023 at 02:14 #1653614Having had a quick look at the race I thought I’d unearthed a dark horse in Golden Rules only to find its second favourite! So much for that. Even if Wise Eagle runs I think I’ll be missing the race because it’s Southwell folk festival and I want to see the Morris Dancers. It’s several years since I’ve been to The Gate to Southwell. I think Southwell is too posh to have a bookies that I can nip into.
June 26, 2023 at 13:31 #165365676 confirmed entries and the one I was alluding to is among them.
I think it became a different race the year it switched to AW and since then one trainer has saddled the winner twice, both times with battle-hardened older horses.
This one is older alright – he’s ten! – but he was in good heart when last sighted and is on a 7lb lower mark than when beaten two and a half lengths in this three years ago.
20/1 is a bit rubbish, though – I want much bigger than that!
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"June 26, 2023 at 16:47 #1653667One of my favourite races, but I never have a bet until after the draw is made (same as the Chester Cup). Is chezza dreaming of rainbows?
June 26, 2023 at 16:54 #1653668Like a predatory striker in the six-yard box, Landafar only needs a half chance!
Back of the net!
Correct, sir.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"June 26, 2023 at 17:39 #1653677Hughie Morrison’s Vino Victrix, given a decent draw, would have every
chance in this. He won at Goodwood last back end off of 88 and and
followed that up with 2nd in the Cesarewitch off 93. He’s come back
out this year running off 95 and looked like he just needed the race
last time out in the Chester Cup over 2m 2f, coming from a poor draw
but getting involved up front untill he tired with 2f to go. He’s been
dropped a couple of pounds to 93, which is just 1lb more than his good
run in the Cesarewitch. There’s plenty of 33s around, I’m holding off
until it starts to go blue, hopefully not before the draw, and I’ll
pile in. He should be spot on for this.Vino Victrix 33/1 various
June 26, 2023 at 17:51 #1653679I was at Goodwood when Vino Victrix won and I thought he showed a cracking attitude.
Monster run in the Cesarewitch to beat everything bar easy winner Run For Oscar, who is trained by a bloke called, err, Charles Byrnes.
After a couple of below-par runs on Soft ground that may not suit him (it wasn’t Good to Soft at Goodwood, they were only 1.27 seconds outside standard), Vino Victrix is surely back to a winning mark, he’s certain to get in the race and he has decent AW form at Kempton.
I cannot see how he can start as big as 33/1 and that’s surely a good shout from Graham.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"June 26, 2023 at 18:10 #1653681Just spotted that Betfred are going 5 places so I’m just going
to take the plunge and hope the draw is kind. I think Ian is
spot on, I can’t see Vino Victrix going off at 33s if he’s in
the final lineup.June 26, 2023 at 19:07 #1653694Since the race moved to the all-weather in 2016 the stall numbers of the winners were…
2016 – 3 of 20
2017 – 13 of 20
2018 – 11 of 20
2019 – 7 of 19
2020 – 17 of 18
2021 – 17 of 20
2022 – 10 of 20I don’t see much of a draw bias myself.
June 26, 2023 at 19:21 #1653696Au contraire, shocking for even numbers until last year, an obvious advantage for stall 17 and for the really shrewd the ideal berth is clearly stall 11.1428571!
Alternatively, Mike’s surely absolutely right – no obvious advantage.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"June 26, 2023 at 19:35 #1653698Vino Victrix’s odds are tumbling. Betfred have gone from 33s to 20/1. The
33s are disappearing like snow of a dyke.June 26, 2023 at 19:38 #1653699Golden Rules 12-1 ew
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