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  • #1479812
    Cork All Star
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    Yes he was. And the perception was that Henderson was treated very leniently. I think he was banned from making entries for about two months as well, which just happened to coincide with summer jumping when he would not have been making many entries anyway.

    Henderson is in some ways an old school trainer. Punters are clearly not his main concern.

    On the subject of trainers being sponsored by bookmakers, I thought Dan Skelton got a bit defensive on Luck on Sunday when Dave Yates said he did not like it. He patronisingly said that people need to be educated.

    I do not need educating. It does not look right when a trainer is being paid by a bookmaker. Perception is important and the perception is that Ladbrokes are not paying Skelton just to say “Horse A is a nice horse who is working nicely and I expect him to run a nice race.”

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    green – I’m not so sure it can be that bad re his withers, as the BHA vet was sent to 7B last week during Peak Kerfuffle and stated that the horse was fit to run. Surely that would not have been the case if he had this condition

    Good point. I had sort of forgotten about the BHA vet. Withers just seems an odd place for an abscess. Wee bit of a saddle sore on the skin surface maybe…but “abscess” suggests below skin surface. And there’s not much between the skin and the bursa IIRC.

    G2 Game Spirit… But what if something else turns up entered in that? Trainers are no longer going to be thinking, ‘Oh not to bother, Altior’s in that’.
    100% agree…he used to be like peak Tiger Woods – even though people say “Can’t be afraid of one horse”, really they used to believe they were realistically running for 2nd place. No more.

    horse I keep thinking of as an obvious parallel is, of course, Nijinsky
    Or Flyingbolt. I think it’s physical not mental…so far anyway. Altior finished the Captain Christy really tired, I don’t think he folded mentally I think he was really giving what he could at the finish. Although of course as you suggest, if a horse is going fairly deep into the well and still loses, maybe that does have a psychological impact.

    Fully prepared to eat my words if he turns up in the QMCC and smashes the opposition into the hill.

    #1479875
    Mr Frisk
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    Since it got a mention, here’s the Moonlit Path saga as detailed on TRF at the time:

    Henderson banned for 3 months

    #1480010
    All Jeff
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    I found the whole sorry episode to have left a bad taste in the mouth. I had to ditch a Facebook group I was in, as most people were defending him to the hilt, and they were getting angry at the mere suggestion that there was something wrong in the yard. They’re clearly is something wrong, and it’s actually a relief to see no defense of the yard in here.

    I’ve always been a fan of Dan Skelton, but his attitude was very poor at best, and it’s him who needs educating. He was still spouting off about it yesterday, and it’s put him in a very poor light as well.

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    I think I should probably add that I’m not talking out of my pocket, as I have no money invested in any of the races which were affected.

    #1513026
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    “He worked great…”
    “Last year was different….”
    “Better than ever….”

    This is part of an article from November 23rd:

    Last season’s Gold Cup runner-up Santini is expected to return in the Many Clouds Chase at Aintree on December 5, the same day on which Altior is due to make his reappearance in the Tingle Creek at Sandown.

    Of Altior, the trainer added: “He’s all set for Sandown on Saturday week, absolutely.

    “He’s in really good form, he galloped at Newbury last week and was good. He schooled the other day – frightening.”

    On the 18th he told the press:

    It’s all systems go for Altior with Nicky Henderson priming the 10-year-old to regain his two-mile chasing crown when he returns in next month’s Tingle Creek at Sandown.

    Altior had an interrupted season and missed the Cheltenham Festival in March due to a minor setback but Henderson reports that “the spark is still there” ahead of his seasonal return on December 5.

    “The spark is there. If you’d seen him school last week, you’ve never seen anything like it. He was the fastest thing to cross a fence you’ve ever seen. On good ground he’s terrifying to watch,” Henderson said of the 10-time Grade One winner.

    #1513056
    Nathan Hughes
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    When I saw the rain yesterday thought it might happen
    Henderson did warn about the going too and also said that in hindsight shouldn’t have run against Cryname last year and it took him a long time to recover.

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    #1513060
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    Big kudos to Paul Nicholls: hardly ever a small field graded race or novice chase goes by where he isn’t at least represented and earning a slice of the pie for his owners. Politologue and Greaneteen 11/8 and 2/1 in a 5 runner £70,000 race now – great work! He even stole a Champion Chase with old Politologue through pure moxy and hustle.

    As a neutral, I think he’s the man you’d like to see get the good horses. There were ups and downs along the way but he wasn’t afraid to go to the well with See More Business, Kauto Star, Big Buck’s, Master Minded etc. And they seem to stand up to their racing for him as well.

    And none of the theatrics and messing around when something goes wrong. There wasn’t even a wobble on the exchange before Ladbrokes Trophy fav Topofthegame was scratched the other week: officially scratched, then press announcement – very tight ship.

    Even with Altior last night, Henderson spoke to the PA and Unibet BEFORE doing the key thing for betting interests: MAKE THE HORSE AN OFFICIAL NR. Altior wasn’t officially removed from the Tingle Creek by his trainer until 07.14 this morning. :negative:

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    Henderson never learns, does he? No problem with him taking Altior out but he should follow the correct procedure.

    I suppose we could see Altior at Christmas but I doubt he is going to get nice, good ground at Ascot in the middle of January.

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    Henderson never learns, does he? No problem with him taking Altior out but he should follow the correct procedure.

    And none of the theatrics and messing around when something goes wrong. There wasn’t even a wobble on the exchange before Ladbrokes Trophy fav Topofthegame was scratched the other week: officially scratched, then press announcement – very tight ship.

    Even with Altior last night, Henderson spoke to the PA and Unibet BEFORE doing the key thing for betting interests: MAKE THE HORSE AN OFFICIAL NR. Altior wasn’t officially removed from the Tingle Creek by his trainer until 07.14 this morning.

    Fully agree with both of you… It was a good decision for the horse, as it always is, but looking back at Binocular and the rest of the bunch you always wonder why it has to be the same stable again and again.

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    Nathan Hughes
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    He done the right thing regard the horse but
    Yes absolutely, he does it backwards
    was it Zarkava on here that called him “criminal Nicky”

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    #1513072
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    Totally understand the slating of henderson here, it is mind boggling and people annoyed at his obsession with Cheltenham.
    However, there is a big double standard here and that’s with Willie Mullins and Al Boum Photo, he’s the dual gold cup winner and we get to see him in a **** race at Tramore once a season before Cheltenham for 3 seasons in a row.
    Atleast henderson is debating running them atleast twice before Cheltenham

    #1513083
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    Atleast henderson is debating running them.

    Hmm, I actually prefer the Al Boum approach from a communication point of view. He says in the stable tour at the start of the season Tramore then Cheltenham and doesn’t faff about making entries and going on about how the horse is schooling so fabulously yada yada.

    Not saying that he hasn’t faffed and talked up entries that disappear with other horses before, but at least he is sending good horses to run against each other in the John Durkan.

    #1513098
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    Henderson getting a kicking from Barry Orr of Betfair on RTV now. He is not happy that Henderson said only one day matters and says he has been disrespectful to the Tingle Creek. I agree with him if Henderson did indeed say that.

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    Interesting to hear the Betfair rep on Racing TV criticising Henderson for saying that only the Champion Chase matters.

    And good on Lydia Hislop for not shirking the subject, even asking what the effect on the levy will be from Altior’s withdrawal.

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