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Prufock, what do you make of Sizing Europe’s victory at Leopardstown, and what rating would you give him.
I have him running to 168 and rate him 171, thank you for asking. That has him 6 lb clear, though I retain hope that Osana will bridge the gap.
The only things that I could possibly hold against Sizing Europe were his none-too-fluent jumping, the less-than-scintillating closing sectional and the proximity of Lounaos. But there are far more positives than negatives.
PS I thought F. OFF had left the forum. Or was that a different F. OFF who effed orf?
Afsoun … Do you know is he being aimed at the CH? Seems like they have never had a plan with this horse this season.
I think they were planning on having a go at the Stayers this year (looked weak at the start of the season) but after the horse was beaten by Hardy Eustace they had a rethink. He seems to be a 2m4f horse but a strongly run Champion Hurdle (like last year) would be up his street. Wouldn’t put you off backing him at 100 anyway because you should be able to lay off at some stage. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s left in both the Stayers & Champion until the last minute.
I base handicapping (when I get the opportunity to do it these days) on the tried-and-tested principles explained here:
http://www.timeform.com/show_article.asp?num=1953
http://www.timeform.com/show_article.asp?num=166
Along with my own time analysis, interpretation etc.
I do have Osana on 165. I think he’s been underassessed by some handicappers, though less so by the market.
To a degree we are all guessing. The idea is to guess better than the next man.
Just my thinking APH, but i don’t think you can get a proper angle on the likely Pace until you know who’s deffo in it and who’s deffo not
An interesting observation, Charles, but in my experience it rarely pans out as simply as horse A (the lone pace influence) being able to dominate horses B, C and D. Jockeys and trainers seem to get caught up in what they read in the paper and do the polar opposite to what is expected.
I think Osana is a cert to jump out and try and make all..
It should be a no brainer for connections. The horse has already put these tactics to good use when beating a thoroughly representative field in the Bula, and there is absolutely no reason to change them.
FofF think before you write mate, for people who don’t post too often your rants do get tedious.
Just my thinking APH, but i don’t think you can get a proper angle on the likely Pace until you know who’s deffo in it and who’s deffo not
An interesting observation, Charles, but in my experience it rarely pans out as simply as horse A (the lone pace influence) being able to dominate horses B, C and D. Jockeys and trainers seem to get caught up in what they read in the paper and do the polar opposite to what is expected.
Pace analysis is certainly a funny beast Smithy and i tend to use it on the better races as in that sphere, horses are more consistent and trainers are less prone to change tactics
And well done with yours the other day in the Sprint at Kempton btw
Prufock, what do you make of Sizing Europe’s victory at Leopardstown, and what rating would you give him.
I have him running to 168 and rate him 171, thank you for asking. That has him 6 lb clear, though I retain hope that Osana will bridge the gap.
The only things that I could possibly hold against Sizing Europe were his none-too-fluent jumping, the less-than-scintillating closing sectional and the proximity of Lounaos. But there are far more positives than negatives.
PS I thought F. OFF had left the forum. Or was that a different F. OFF who effed orf?
There are certain TRF forumites whose views I just skip past….
(PS – I don’t mean you Pru)
For once, FOF, just for once, get off that high horse and stop telling people how it is…or at least how it should be.
By all means offer an opinion, but do so in a non-patronising manner and without trying to make everyone else sound as though they know nothing.
Reading your self-righteous, contrived drivel gets incredibly tedious at times – most other people can express themselves without effectively calling those with differing views mindless idiots.
you mind your own business how many time do you need to be told?
I’m not one of the newbies you can push around as if you owned the place and if anyone is tedious and ignorant around here it is you son.
Challenging a new member to bet 1000 pounds to try and discredit them when the last time you had a return it was for a non runner….and if you want to tell everyone your an accountant with a first class degree in Math why don’t you take the 1000 pounds and sponsor the site with your advert instead of trying to push your 1 man 1 calculator business every chance you get.
You have been trouble since the day I joined and your nothing……your just another member with a big mouth who wants to rule the roost and you hate the fact the most other people have more knowledge than you………..you want to be a moderator I’m sure they will have you then every new member that doesn’t kiss your feet you can ban instead of trying to drive them off the forum with your know it all attitude……….see your at it again…..guy sticks two tips of and your right in there telling him he should be posting in another forum…………as nice as you were who gave you the badge Wyatt?
other people replied to the guy and no one was complaining.so again you can’t help yourslef "I’m LGR I’m the king of the castle and you can’t do that" plonkerFor once, FOF, just for once, get off that high horse and stop telling people how it is…or at least how it should be.
By all means offer an opinion, but do so in a non-patronising manner and without trying to make everyone else sound as though they know nothing.
Reading your self-righteous, contrived drivel gets incredibly tedious at times – most other people can express themselves without effectively calling those with differing views mindless idiots.
And furthermore what is your views on the horse discussed do you have one or did you just pop in to have ago at me? can’t say I saw you offer any sort of contribution at all to the discussion Wyatt
Prufock, what do you make of Sizing Europe’s victory at Leopardstown, and what rating would you give him.
I have him running to 168 That has him 6 lb clear.
I have him exactly the same.
You must be right then Prufrock.
The only thing I have a concern over is his hurdling as he jumps like a chaser. I’d prefer him to hurdle rather than launch himself a foot over his obstacles.
However that may be nitpicking, the way he travelled and the way he destroyed his opposition he’s gonna take some stopping at Cheltenham however high he jumps.
As for Mordin I think he’s going insane, I’m surprised anyone listens to him at all now.
…..guy sticks two tips of and your right in there telling him he should be posting in another forum…………
In all fairness, FoF, that’s long-established TRF etiquette / convention – better to have all lays and plays where they can be easily found – and there was nothing especially barbed in LGR’s pointing this out to Cheltenhamhill.
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P***ed again Fists!
Are you that aggressive in the bar, or do you just save it for TRF?
wasn’t that pissed mate honestly….will be when I come back tonight couple of mates from Sunny Yorkshire just arrived today for a weeks break…..wouldn’t be fair of me not to show them the sites.
Nicest guy you could ever meet till you cross me or say all the girls I have beaten up say
Not aggressive at all and don’t mean to be offensive to anyone. If someone calls me an idiot it’s more likely that I have said something really stupid and if i think thy are correct I just agree….people are too touchy on here. Many if you shoot them down in flames because they have said something totally silly take the huff and the name calling starts.
Like this Champion hurdle carry on..I thought about the race, I watched every horses in the race individually, noted what happened to each of them during the race, took into account what price they were on the day and what their form was going into the race and generally how they were expected to run………all these things combined I came to the conclusion it at the end of the day was a very bad Champion Hurdle won by a unfancied outsider. If I am wrong Sublimity will win the Champion Hurdle and I will look like a dick………that’s racing and I can live with that even if every member on the forum throws it in my face.
Unfortunately many people don’t go to the trouble I do and don’t seem to think about the overall picture and If I say I think they’re wrong I feel it unfair if I don’t explain why I think that……..very seldom do they come back with the reason why they think my theories are wrong they just growl, scowl or take the huff or say it’s a rant like my good pal LGR…..he’s a kewl guy and was only getting his own back on me so no worries, not the first or last time we have had our differences and wont be the last…..The fact that I backed Kauto Star at 3/1 for the King George 7/2 fr the Gold Cup, Sizing Europe at 12/1 for the Champion and Noland at 16/1 for the Arkle….plus a few others all of which appear and it seems that does not sit well with some members on here or so I have been told in PM’s……..It also makes me a know it all I hear…….Not my fault almost every bet I have had won this season I’m just doing it to the best of my abilityand am sorry if I am good at what I do, I can read racing better than most and I think I am a fair judge of what are good horses and what are very good horses. I wasn’t born with the talent I worked very hard and studied from inside and outside racingfor 30 years and I should be bloody good at it by now…….if that makes me a ranter then a ranter I will be because the day I start losing from racing to some silly bookie then I will quit……Some dick started a thred on here and said who is Fist of Fury then I got blasted because I struck a huge double on Kauto…..I was slated for that perhaps for what………all I was trying to say is get on….but I was talking dribble……enjoy even money on the day as it don’t matter to me if he wins loses or draws cos I took the sensible route and his KG win alone covered my whole bet. Which again makes me a smart ass in the eyes of a chosen few.
I happen to love seeing other people being successful and If I say something it’s me saiyng get on guys not trying to be smart….if talking about there fav horse that offends them then I apologies, but If I think it’s a pig I am not going to call it lamb jut to make them happy…….At the same time I understand younger people in racing have their heroes and never saw Bula, Persian War and co……so they think Hardy Eustace was a great horse and don’t realize how far of the mark they are….nor do some of them realize how lucky they are to have Kauto Star v Denman……….they should hold on to their memories of them because they may never another match like it in their lifetime. If Kauto wins the race as easily as I think he will then they should really treasure the moment because horses like that come along every 40 years if you are lucky………now If I have said anything stupid go ahead and have a go at me……I never take offense so you are perfectly safe to do so…………
Like this Champion hurdle carry on..I thought about the race, I watched every horses in the race individually, noted what happened to each of them during the race, took into account what price they were on the day and what their form was going into the race and generally how they were expected to run………all these things combined I came to the conclusion it at the end of the day was a very bad Champion Hurdle won by a unfancied outsider.
Hardy Eustace 33-1 beating previous Champ and fav Rooster Booster
Sublimity 16-1 beating two previous Champions and fancied horses
Was Hardy’s race a farce or very bad race ????
Not wanting to face the wrath of FoF, but I don’t think Sublimity was necessarily an "unfancied outsider" last year. The connections were quite bullish leading up to the race, that he would be right up there amongst them, hence why his price contracted steadily in the fortnight preceeding the race from about 40’s into 16’s.
Not wanting to face the wrath of FoF, but I don’t think Sublimity was necessarily an "unfancied outsider" last year. The connections were quite bullish leading up to the race, that he would be right up there amongst them, hence why his price contracted steadily in the fortnight preceeding the race from about 40’s into 16’s.
exactly as i stated somewhere before, i read in Irish paper where Philip Carb.gave an interview he said he was deffo going to win race on Sublimity
and i still didnt back him doh!!!
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