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You find out your wife has been having an affair, what do you do ..
a) get a quick divorce and move on<br>b) ask if you can come along to the next session with your digi camera.<br>c) have her drugged, half buried in the ground and get the nieghbours to pelt her with bricks until she’s dead.
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anyone see Newsnight tonight?
any views?
Yes.
That guy was an arse (reminded me of Rick in the young ones for some reason).
If I was a muslim in the UK, I’d have been going mental watching him.
What were your views Alchemist?
Steve
<br>This is an interesting debate. Nick Griffin believes that, in Britain at least, people with ‘white’ skin colour are superior to people with other skin colours. And then, I think he believes, that within the ‘white race’ able-bodied people are superior to disabled people.
Basically, people similar to him are ok.
Griffin should broaden his mind. But he won’t, he’s stuck in his thinking. And his thinking is that ‘white is right.’
There is one change of thinking within the BNP – they like to wear suits now, rather than combat boots.
Griffin has a right to say most things. But he should not incite violence or hatred, for that is hugely detrimental to society.
When someone says "he should be banned from saying these things" of someone like Griffin they – barring the incitement of violence/hatred – shouldn’t have their way. If people dislike what someone says, they can verbally fight back. Not just say ‘ban it’.
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I personally think that what you wear has nothing to do with how people should percieve your own personality, or political views.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but can you point out any time in Griffins speaches, he says that people without white skin are less superior? I also dont think that anything he said is harmfull. Its only his own experiences that he talks about.  Hamza was harmfull to society, thats why he’s in prison. Griffin, I think might stay out of prison.
I personally dont care if he stays or goes, much like the other politicitians.
Griffin knows that this country, or any other country in the world will never only ever contain its home grown race. But he is probably fed up with what he see’s happening to this country.
I dont like whats happening to this country, like most of us. But its happening and maybe it needs addressing?
Having short hair though, doesnt make you a skinhead!
(Edited by lollys mate at 7:46 pm on Feb. 8, 2006)
I dont like whats happening to this country, like most of us.
"Most of us"? Says who?
This is the usual bunch of whiny crap from the "mouthy minority". "we’re just saying what everyone’s thinking, but they’re not allowed to say".
What a load of b*****ks
.Steve
LM,
the BNP don’t use the word "superior", but they do say there is a racial difference:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><br>This must not be taken to mean or imply that we believe that any particular ethnic group or race is ‘superior’ or ‘inferior’; we simply recognise that – as any biologist would be able to predict, and the new medical science of pharmacogenetics is now confirming – human populations which have undergone micro-evolutionary changes while being separated for many thousands of years have developed differences in many fields of endeavour, susceptibility to health problems, behavioural tendencies and such like……
……we believe that it is far more likely than not that the historically established tendency (and we do not claim that it is any more than that) of the peoples of Western Europe in general – and of these islands in particular – to create and sustain social and political structures in which individual freedom, equality before the law, private property and popular participation in decision-making, is to some extent at least genetically pre-determined. ÂÂÂ
If this is the case, then the idea that it is possible to allow large numbers of people from very different ethnic groups and cultures to settle here, on the assumption that it is just something about our bracing sea air that tends to make us natural born democrats, is fatally flawed. Just as is the idea that we can export our enthusiasm for representative government to other peoples, either by example or by carpet-bombing their countries into giving up their penchant for strong government or theocracy. <br><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
http://www.bnp.org.uk/candidates2005/ma … /manf4.htm
 <br>The thing with the BNP is that they start with an idea that in itself is quite prevalent around the globe – securing a future for the indigenous people of a bit of land – but then extend it into reasoning that leaves most unconvinced.
<br>IMO, most of Europe , the Middle East, Africa, and Asia (from Tukey and India right across to China /Japan / Korea) is not that big on treating the non-indigenous the same way as the indigenous.  They’ll make visitors welcome and take money, but try to settle there and getting involved in local politics and the mood soon changes.
Paradoxically for those of a socialist/liberal mindset, it tends to be only in the "imperialist" or "settler" nations of North and South America, Australia, New Zealand  – plus some of the erstwhile imperial out-reachers like the UK and Holland – where an arriving immigrant can do that.
<br>However, IMO you do have a point in that most people in the UK are wary of  an attempt at a  certain creeping, non-violent cultural change that has come up again in the context of the cartoons and been fed by certain politicians.
This is the notion  – going some way beyond existing law – that it should now be forbidden to say anything that "insults" a religion.
In Denmark, this has arisen in the context of a cartoon.
In Australia, it has arisen in the context of  harassing bikini-wearing non-Muslims at the beach to cover-up.
In Holland, it arose in the murder of a filmmaker for making a documentary about violence against Muslim women.
In Britain, it arose with Salman Rushdie’s book.
This notion is that "respect" involves not just leaving folk alone to pursue their own non-harmful activities, but extends to a whole country observing certain codes of behaviour set down by a minority of adherents to a particular religion.  ÂÂÂ
In other words that in certain respects a religious group has a right not just to seek to persuade, but to dictate,  what the non-religious can do or say. ÂÂÂ
The government’s attempt to move this notion into law was voted down in Parliament last week after much public debate, so I don’t think that opposition to the notion can be classed as minority thinking.
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wit<br>
wit.
Thanks for the knowledgeable reply.
I have looked at the web site you hightlighted and this highlights the reason why the BNP will never win. I do however have to agree with some of their points.
The racial difference thing is true. All races are different. For good aswell as bad.
The "respect" that you mention, is also a primary element of intergration that has been failing us.
My wife sees many types at the school she works in, and none have any respect. Why should they? They can tell her to **** off and nothing will happen to them. But if Mrs Lolly reacts, she would be sacked for racial abuse to a minor.
It sucks.
Thanks wit.
(Edited by Aranalde at 7:19 pm on Feb. 10, 2006)<br>
(Edited by Aranalde at 7:21 pm on Feb. 10, 2006)
Excellent post Wit .. sort of sums my thoughts up about religious fanatics what ever flavour they come in.
I hate being dictated to, being told what’s acceptable to say or do by a load of cranks .. I would never dream of imposing my own beliefs on anyone else.
All you ever seem to hear from minority groups in the West is whingeing and whining about how bad it all is for them and they’ll be getting a claim in or wanting to have a riot about .. if they don’t like it in the West they they should just GO and enjoy the rights and quality of life they would have in whatever country they have come from.
Nick Griffin and his gorillas (a bad 50s band?) are the pimple on the arse of British politics.
Who gives a **** what he thinks? You might as well start a thread entitled, ‘That p**sed up tramp outside Victoria Street station – Is he right?’
The BNP, like grubby little fascists everywhere, hate the idea of races mingling, of people integrating, because according to their view of the world, this can’t happen, it’s an abomination. So they depend on creating as many ‘them and us’ situations as they can. At the moment its Muslims. Five years ago, it was asylum seekers. Thirty years ago it was East African asians. Seventy years ago it was Jews. (And sixty-five years ago, Griffin would have been sharing a prison cell with Moseley).
The best answer to the BNP is that, right now, there are mixed race babies being conceived in this country and thousands upon thousands of mixed race relationships of all descriptions. Racial identities are mingling and becoming more complex with every generation as they have done for centuries. We are all mongrels, born of mongrels. In my opinion, the greater the number of different cultures and racial identities in a country, the more interesting the mix becomes.
So Nick Griffin can take his dingy, monochrome view of the world, roll it up in a St George flag and shove it up his ******* arse.
(Edited by Aranalde at 7:21 pm on Feb. 10, 2006)<br>
(Edited by Aranalde at 7:22 pm on Feb. 10, 2006)
Aranalde.
If you want to see "them and us situations" then come and live in Harrow.
If you recall a previous post that I got slated for, stating that the ethnics have priority over white british people for jobs such as Police and the fire brigade. My point was proved right by the media only last week.
Personally, I couldn’t give a monkeys toss if the person who is going to save me and my family from my burning house, has a turban, is Polish turkish or even has a suicide belt strapped to his chest.
It should be the best man/woman for the job……<br> Not… Oh lets get the ethnics in to do it, we might get more votes!<br> The best, most suitable person for the job. Thats the only qualification you should need. Not your ethnic background.
Nick Griffin is as p**s
ed off about this as I am.Now as for the rest of his stuff, some of it is understandable, but a lot of it is pure tosh.
You have to live within a town with a major ethnic population to see how it does affect the way in which you would like to live your life.
My son had his phone stolen from him only 2 weeks ago, by 3 Indian boys who had a knife, whilst he went down to the local Paki shop to buy a golf magazine. The police reply, after waiting in a queue, was, was he hurt? No. Then tell him not to show of his mobile when in a public place! A great response.<br> My best friends son punched an Indian boy in the face after a similar group asked for his phone. He is 19 and will probably and up with a racial conviction because the police followed this case up. Now I dont think that is fair. You lot seem to say that everyone is equal. If the police dont see it that way, then why do I have to.
The "them and us" thing is there! It is so there!
Believe me. Its them and us.
Who is ‘them’ and who is ‘us’?
And I’d be grateful if you could explain what you mean by ‘ethnics’. My dictionary says that ‘ethnic’ is from the Greek ‘ethnos’ and can be defined as, ‘belonging or relating to a particular racial group’.
Now, as we all belong to a particular racial group, or combination of groups, are we not all ‘ethnic’?<br>
(Edited by Aranalde at 9:25 pm on Feb. 10, 2006)
"Them" and "us" is in your minds eye, pal
Well said.
I’ve not been to see the Scotland football team play for over a decade now, but the last 2 times I saw them (1995 and 1992), I saw something interesting.
Both times, as I was looking around at the crowd just before the match, I saw, a number of rows behind me, a group of Pakistani teenagers (maybe 5- 8 of them) with tartan scarves on.
Let’s be honest, no-one gets behind the Scotland team for the glory, they only do it because they identify themselves with the country.
The fact that these 2 groups of kids were proud enough of being Scottish that they put tartan scarves on made me feel proud to be scottish.
Steve
You simply dont know the facts do you.
GH My best friends son might hav ended up with assault conviction in Edinburgh, but in Harrow he has been charged with racial violence. <br> Harrow used to be like Edinburgh, but maybe its the fact that Harrow has the highest percentage of Hindus outside of Asia, that you feel a real sence of "them and us". The Met police also have an endless budget regarding anythig racial. They did not want to know about my sons attack. The two examples I have brought to you all show that, them and us is real.<br> And as for your little remark about moving out. I wasn’t going to uproot my family and buisness for another 3 years, but I feel for the sake of my family, it will have to be sooner. Just like all my other neighbours.<br> Edinburgh sounds nice though!
Aranalde.<br> If you cannot grasp what I mean by ethnics by now then you are a bigger tit than I thought you were allready.<br>But for your record. the Oxford concise states;<br>relating to the classification of mankind into groups on the basis of racila characteristics.
Steve.
You should be in Harrow when England play Pakistan, India or Srl Lanka at cricket.<br> Now remembering that the English flag is not allowed in many public places because it offends the ethnics mentioned, the asian countries flags are every where and suddenly its okay. Now I dont mind supporting your team, but this is double standards. (Or Them and us as some like to put it).
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