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    NHS don’t want bookmakers money.
    Something about problem gamblers don’t want bookies money paying for their rehabilitation.

    In a way can understand, but if bookmakers hadn’t paid this in the first place would we have the NHS complaining bookmakers do’t do enough?

    Are Bookmakers damned if they do, damned if they don’t?

    …And what about bookmakers taxes going towards rehabilitation?

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    #1583847
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    Oh well, NHS is free to decline I suppose. Do drinks companies sponsor any public or private rehab for alcholics does anyone know?

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    The NHS’s decision apparently comes after listening to patients and doctors. Fair enough, their choice. Do bookies contribute much anyway?

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/feb/19/nhs-severs-links-with-gambleaware-over-industry-connection-concerns

    ‘Last year it [Gamble Aware] announced a three-year funding arrangement with the UK’s four biggest gambling companies totalling £100m.’

    £25 million per firm over three years. Peanuts to both the bookies and NHS. Denise Coates of Bet365 could cover that herself and not even notice it’s missing.

    As for taxes, given how many bookmakers seem to be registered in Malta and Gibraltar, I’m not sure if they are paying as much as they otherwise could be. Clearly they pay some taxes and so do their employees. It all goes in the pot to pay for all sorts of things, nothing anyone can do about that.

    Damned if they do, damned if they don’t? Possibly, but it seems to me that most of the time they don’t.

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    So where does this go next?
    What about Charity Race Days, where money raised goes towards a child’s or adult’s cancer treatment, are the NHS going to refuse money raised by ‘Gamblers’ attending racedays where bookies may be sponsoring races, money which will help a child/adult to have pioneering surgery to save his/her life just because some recovering compulsive gambler old enough to realise what he or she was doing can’t stand tall and accept that there are others much needier than themselves who would benefit from these donations.
    The NHS need to look at the bigger picture before proceeding with this ban. Jac

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    Who pays?
    Money that came from bookmakers now has to come from the tax payer…
    Is the government going to up taxes because of this or add to the total NHS budget? Can’t see either.
    So the money will need to come over from another worthwhile NHS budget.

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    “Is the government going to up taxes because of this or add to the total NHS budget?”

    They raised National Insurance contributions to cover the largesse offered to their mates, so who knows?

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    So will the NHS staff still go and take up there free admissions to aintrees NHS day on Thursday 7th April

    VF x

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    ‘So will the NHS staff still go and take up there free admissions to aintrees NHS day on Thursday 7th April’

    I’d have thought so. Is that relevant in any way?

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    Hypocrites if the NHS staff take up that offer.

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    How? They are being offered free admission to a sporting event by Aintree / the Jockey Club. It’s got nothing whatsoever to do with how the NHS funds its gambling addiction treatment programme. Totally irrelevant.

    What next, NHS staff are hypocrites for having a glass of wine or a sugary desert becuase the organisation they work for treats alcoholics and diabetics?

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    As Richard said those tickets come courtesy of the Jockey Club. They
    deserve it.

    The NHS benefited to the tune of 2.6 million pounds when bookies donated their profits on bets taken on the running of the virtual Grand National 2020 during the pandemic. Money that if offered again this year could be be used towards offering pay rises to their overworked staff who are curently mass exiting from their places of work some of whom would be working hard to help those with gambling problems get back on track.

    Surely taking money donated from the National Lottery and scratchcards is gambling related will they also refuse
    this money.. :wacko: total madness.

    People are dying waiting for life saving operations and transplants the NHS can ill afford to turn down any donations at this moment in time, they should be listening to and acting on behalf of their staff and critically ill patient’s not a bunch of down on their luck gamblers with an axe to grind and Doctors who should know better.
    Jac
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    “the NHS can ill afford to turn down any donations at this moment in time”

    The NHS shouldn’t have to rely on gifts and charitable donations. It should be funded properly by the government.

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    Not for the first time in this thread, Glad nails it.

    The money aspect is easy to focus on. The point is, why should addicts trust a rehabilitation programme funded directly by the industry that feeds their addiction? If British American Tobacco funds a study that concludes that smoking is a bit of harmless fun you laugh it out of the building.

    The idea that this is the misguided opinion of some bitter compulsive gamblers is wide of the mark and frankly is victim blaming. They are trying to better themselves and should be given more credit* for seeing through the gambling industry’s lip service to the problem.

    As with every addiction, some are of course a lost cause but many genuinely want to beat it and should be helped, not dismissed.

    If the bookies really care, nobody is stopping them from opening rehab clinics using their own millions. But they tell you to stop when the fun stops so that’s alright then.

    *Not casino credit obviously.

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    ‘As with every addiction, some are of course a lost cause but many genuinely want to beat it and should be helped, not dismissed’.

    Totally agree with that statement Richard and a very good post.
    My heart ruling my head on this one.

    Glad ..
    Spot on :good: ..That is what everyone wants and hopes for the sooner the better.
    Jacs

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    “The NHS shouldn’t have to rely on gifts and charitable donations. It should be funded properly by the government”.

    Define “properly”?

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    Properly is defined as the diametric opposite of anything this government does.

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    Apologies if the tone of my post came across overly aggressive, hopefully it didn’t (I’d been awake 23 hours :whistle: ).

    I’ve seen first hand what gambling addiction does to people from all sorts of backgrounds and it’s a bit of an emotive subject that’s all.

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