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Does anyone breed National Hunt horses or involved in any way on this site, be good to hear which new sires are considered to be up and coming
New NH sires? Galileo (nap).
Too bad that some not so smart owners think of cutting off their balls first. Horses rated over 110 on the Flat to be gelded soon….. Owner who would like to be as cool and successful as the Ricci’s or Wylie’s is desperately seeking a Triumph Hurdle winner.The stallion Walk in the Park is producing some top class horses – Douvan, Min, Anthony. Another up and coming French sire just getting some runners here is Montmartre, sire of Paul Nicholls Capitaine and Big Mart. Those are my two ‘punts’ as top NH sires. Network I dislike, Balko is starting to get some nice runners here again French. The French owners are much less likely to geld their horses hence Balko who ran over fences in France and now a sire.
If you are looking for a Frankel equivalent they don’t really exist. A Flat sire can make quite an impact with his 2yo’s but a NH sire might realistically be waiting until his progeny are 6yo’s or older before generating some real money.
If you want to see what is considered up and coming have a look at the returns for the NH store sales. As regards the track have a look at sire stats for bumpers – personally I would ignore those for 3yo’s as quite often at least half the field are essentially Flat bred – and Irish points.
Authorized is really showing some great signs if you look at his percentage of winners to runners, Gold well is another I really like .
I am, but I’m a bit rebellious when it comes to stallions (it’s purely a hobby, so I can be). Hard to say about up and coming stallions – in Ireland we get obsessed very easily by certain lines (Sadler’s Wells, of course, and more recently Monsun), and throw mares at them indiscriminately. All a horse needs is a few 4yo bumper/pt to pt winners, and he is considered hot stuff. Two years later though, he could just as easily be cold. It happened to Arcadio a few years ago – Sprinter Sacre had done his thing for the Monsun factor, The Game Changer won a bumper and a hurdle at 4, and he had one or more 4yo point winners the same autumn, all just before the November sale. His progeny sold like hot cakes, and bingo he covers 300+ mares. Last year friends of mine had two to sell, and found themselves on the cold list. It makes you wonder about the so-called experts at the sales, since he is the same horse he was 2-3 years ago. Madness. One stallion that I think you will see emerging with his novice chasers is Robin des Pres. He is already 22, but he came to Ireland late in life, and his eldest Irish crop are six I think. He was a chaser himself, and has understandably not set the world alight with his bumper runners, but I’ve noticed a few winning at long odds when they go over fences, which suggests they step up? He lacks a star at the moment – Winter Escape perhaps.
Interesting Louise, I totally agree with your summary of the sales ring, what`s hot at the time will always influence the final figure, what worries me at the same time is that owners / trainers have near on completely gone away from NH store horses to ex flat horses that are ready to run immediately, thats why I think the likes of Colin Bowe and Monbeg stables have switched to proving horses in the Point to Point world, but are their horses winnning points because they are very good, or are they winning because they are better trained, ie fitter, and ridden by top jocks ie JJ Codd
The German and French influence is here to stay in my opinionYes, I think you are spot on about Bowe and the Doyles. They have one object in mind, and that is to get a win and get sold. No stone left unturned. Of course there was always big money for those horses, but there is probably a higher turnover now, especially with the boutique sales at Cheltenham etc. Back to stallions, one that I was interested in using was Touch of Land. I can’t work out if he’s still alive. Knockhouse have him listed, yet in a press release about September Storm moving there, he was not mentioned. He was a fantastically sound horse himself, and that is often an overlooked quality (mad really). He is getting plenty of good pointers, and didn’t cover massive books. It’s a while to wait before he has runners, but Dunaden has a foal in the Goffs NH sale, and it will be interesting to see what that is like too. What a NH sire he would make!
Dunaden had a filly foal at the foal show at Bangor on Dee which was outstanding. A Kayf Tara colt won the championship and she was the reserve I think.
I had not seen Touch Of Land before you mentioned him, he does look very interesting indeed, I, like you, Louise love to see a stallion that has proved his soundness and it`s seems very overlooked in this day and age. I suppose I am lucky that this is a great hobby for me in my senior years, I only have 2 mares and spend alot of my spare time watching, looking and choosing what I consider to be value for money, and will probably be totally wrong in the outcome, but as I say I am not doing this commercially.
I was at the Cheltenham open meeting last week watching the stallion parade, once horse stood right out to me, that was Dream Eater, what a compact tank of a horse, ran over 30 times, group one placed, won over £600,000 I liked him alotThis horse, Irish wells, announced this morning looks interesting
http://bloodstock.racingpost.com/news/bloodstock/irish-wells-moved-to-woodlands-stud/2194169/top/
Look at Irish Wells in the French yard on Youtube, (sorry can’t do the link). I’d say he is heavy topped, back at the knee with an average walk. He is also a horse that walks downhill, from what I can see I would not use myself. I looked up Dream Eater, touch common, very short thought out, could throw a pony type if you were unlucky, touch over at the knee. Interesting sire I think will do well under both rules is Fast Company, i’ve seen his stock and he stamps a lovely type and has good winners under both rules.
Thanks for that info RustyRails and Obiwankenobi. You can look at Irish Wells here (and find some other stallions through the search): http://www.france-sire.com/etalon-151-irish_wells.php#videos
Pity English and Irish studs don’t have more videos. Sometimes, in Ireland, you have to be pretty determined even to find a horse that you are interested in, never mind a photograph. I reckon I would make a decent detective at this stage.Touch Of Land is still listed on the Knockhouse website anyway. Any thoughts on Le Fou? Standing in Arctic Tack not far from Knockhouse. Same stud as Arcadio is standing at, and where Le Fou’s (and Monteus’s) half brother Goldwell was based for a number of years.
Interesting Diogenes, thought you were describing me with your description of Dream Eater ha ha, personally I love horses that are over at the knee, have trained quite a few and they all stayed sound longer than any straight leg horse I have had.
Thanks Louise for the link to Irish Wells, the way that horse dishes his off fore I would not touch him , shame because I actually like him.
Now For Fast company, a stallion that ran 3 times in his life as a 2 year old then straight to stud, National Hunt sire ?? not for me thank you,
Le Fou again did not run many times, and also he did not run from April 2004 to October 2005 which was his last run where he finished last, so obviously has had some kind of issue, but well bred
Not trying to sound negative by the way, just my humble opinions, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that
I see Touch of Land has an interesting runner today at Clonmel maiden hurdle Cavallo Gold
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