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Yeah, sure. Bringing yet more low grade AW racing into being really will "enhance Newcastle racecourse as one of the pre-eminent racing and events venue in the UK."
Who do they think they’re kidding!
You know why though, surely ?
Newcastle. Booze, stag and hen parties, night racing, bands….
Sod all to do with racing really.
TB , you miss the point entirely …or do you just want to have a pop for no reason
Lingfield and other arc courses have an AW programme this year with loads of prize money up for grabs for certain races
In the main the aw is dross , lets say over 90 per cent of it ….Newcastle will be adding to that equation
Or is that too difficult for you to comprehend ???
answers on a postcard please
Ricky, I painfully get your point because you mention it or moan about it in nearly every post you make on this forum.
I would fathom a guess, without diving into a database as I can not be bothered, that over 50% of all racing falls into the ‘dross’ category, AW, jumps and flat.
Should we shut it all down, raise the minimum ratings to 90 and 135 respectively and cull every horse deemed unfit, sell off most of the race courses whilst putting thousands of people out of a job?
What is your vision of racing Oracle?
Oh no wait, don’t tell me, as it is but no AW. Dross turf and NH is fine so long as it isn’t run in a sand box.
The best way to deal with all weather is to simply ignore it. Don’t watch it and don’t bet on it. Eventually it might go away.
The best way to deal with all weather is to simply ignore it. Don’t watch it and don’t bet on it. Eventually it might go away.
What a stupid thing to say, it isn’t going away it is expanding and will continue to expand whether people like it or not.
Dubai is all weather, America is virtually all weather how do you propose sticking your head in the sand is going to change it? It is not! All weather is part of racing now accept it.
As for Newcastle it is fair to say the Stag/Hen Party thing is probably the correct theory as Southwell cannot host evening meetings and it is in the middle of nowhere in North Nottinghamshire, Newcastle is a huge party city so the money to be made by ARC is at Newcastle not Southwell it will also be Wolverhampton who suffer as Newcastle is likely to take the Friday evening meeting slot.
Apparently Catterick are also now interested in becoming an all weather track, when will the excitement start…
Confirmed phil walker. Here’s the RP article this morning:
http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-ra … t7DaysNews
Will the AW onslaught never cease! We’ll need an AW only TV channel soon to cover all the dross racing while the rest get on with the real stuff.
Catterick would make more sense than Newcastle, hopefully Newcastle wont be allowed.
Would Catterick Bridge still have the undulations?
Interesting question Yeats. Would like to see their plans regards the characteristics of the course. Lingfield is not entirely flat so imagine it would retain some of its character, suspect a lot of it will be leveled out though?
There is a demand for a northerly AW racecourse, Newcastle makes good business sense at the end of day but it looks a huge project, it is not exactly a small course!
Catterick looks a good option, a little isolated maybe, but I like the idea of the course.
Catterick is another Southwell it doesn’t even have a railway station, no nightlife to attract the stag/hen do’s.
Just who is going to go to Catterick all weather?
At least Newcastle have a potential customer base.
I see that, on the all-weather tomorrow, there is a nice Group 1 race worth £230,000 to the winner. By the look of the horses taking part, and the level of prize money, it is a wonder that some enterprising UK trainers are not having a go. Especially since huge numbers of UK horses do their regular training on all-weather strips nowadays. I suppose it must be the climate in California at this time of year that is putting them off.
It might look nice from here MV but it costs a lot of money to transport a horse there, something that shouldn’t be underestimated.
You need to do very well just to recoup that, I reckon you would have to finish in the first 3 to make it worthwhile.
Would your 2yo travel well?When you enter would you know what the opposition was? how good they are? will you be suited by the surface? would you even be guaranteed a run? Must be close to a maximum field.
I can see a lot of negatives
True, true, there are a lot of negatives. I suppose I was just going on about my previous point that all-weather surfaces do not have to equal poor quality racing. The other positive point is that over and above the Breeders Cup weekend, there have been more UK trainers in the last few years willing to take their horses to North America for big prizes in the Summer. Now that so many classy/valuable North American races are on synthetics, they do not have to rely on their horses being able to act on fast or hard turf. It is a bit less of a gamble now. The Americans may think that having a “Brit” runner would be an attractive novelty, and might help out with expenses, as long as the horse’s form compared well with the home team. The other expense of course would be the various medications prior to the 48 hour medication deadline, and Lasix on the day of the race!
Lets be specific , most of the aw racing in the Uk is low grade , love it or loathe it , this is indisputable
What happens in other parts of the world is not relevant to this thread , the question remains , what will the racing in Newcastle be like , and what price the main thrust of the cards will be grade 5 or worse
Come back to me if you feel this is untrue or unfair
cheers
Lets be specific , most of the aw racing in the Uk is low grade , love it or loathe it , this is indisputable
What happens in other parts of the world is not relevant to this thread , the question remains , what will the racing in Newcastle be like , and what price the main thrust of the cards will be grade 5 or worse
Come back to me if you feel this is untrue or unfair
cheers
Ricky can I ask a question that you’ve probably answered before but is it AW racing you have a problem with or is it just the amount of Grade 5 and 6 races generally, turf included ?
Aaaaaaaron ez ….hello to you , I have no problem with aw racing as such , its just the mind numbing number / amount of low grade betting shop fodder races we are fed all year round , its just sickening
In my opinion punters have more chance with cartoon racing and roulette machines than any of this dross , now we are presented with the prospect of even more (dross )with the proposed Newcastle adventure …so on the same day you can have 2 bags meetings or in the evening , Brough park and Newcastle , both the same , free attendance, bookie fodder to the core
Will the bookies win ….definitely
Will the Bha approve …..extra definitely
Will the racing press sing its praises ….for certain
Will anybody stand up and say , hey this is rubbish and gives horse racing a bad name …..er no
except me perhaps
imo
Ricky
The best way to deal with all weather is to simply ignore it. Don’t watch it and don’t bet on it. Eventually it might go away.
What a stupid thing to say, it isn’t going away it is expanding and will continue to expand whether people like it or not.
Dubai is all weather, America is virtually all weather how do you propose sticking your head in the sand is going to change it? It is not! All weather is part of racing now accept it.
I wonder if you’ll still be saying that when they start converting the big courses: York, Ascot, Epsom, etc.
If the big owners wanted to run their horses on the AW they’d be doing so already. How many top horses have you seen running on an AW surface in the UK?
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