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‘England is permanently tory, I’m afraid, so the colonies are stuck with them.’
Believe it or not, some people don’t understand why many outside England want independence.
‘However, the longer a Party governs the harder it is to be credible on fixing things they’ve had years in office to fix already and the less tenable it is to hold the opposition responsible for their own Parties’s failings when last in office.’
Precisely. Society’s ills are invariably blamed on the government. If something was broken after the Blair and Brown years, they’ve had 12 years to fix it and haven’t. If it wasn’t broken and now is, they broke it. As I keep banging on about, why do journalists not pull them up on this? There’s been lots of talk about what’s wrong with the country during the leadership contest. A contest to lead the party that’s been governing for 12 years. Blaming Labour simply isn’t credible any more.
It works both ways – in 2010 it wasn’t tenable to hold Cameron responsible for what the 1979-1997 Tory governments did because he wasn’t an influential part of those governments and Labour couldn’t credibly talk about fixing things because they’d had 13 years to do that.
In 2024, the Tories will have had 14 years in power and Labour will have had 14 years out of office.
There comes a point where that starts to work against an incumbent government and in the Opposition’s favour.
And the Lib-Dems are gaining strength amid a renewed enthusiasm for anti-Tory tactical voting with the carrot of electoral reform if the Tories don’t form the next government.
It’s going to be close next time.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"The biggest problem is the fragmentation of voters in the centre or on the left.
If you’re of a rightwing persuasion, you only have one real option: the Conservatives (or the DUP if you’re in Northern Ireland). If you’re centre or left, there’s a panoply of options.
Not forming an anti-Tory alliance is political suicide in our antediluvian FPTP system.
Just as well too, it’s not healthy for the same party to be in seemingly perpetual rule, be that Conservatives, Labour or anyone else.
Yes Glad, you really only have the Conservatives as a serious option on the right, the rest are fringe lunatics who will never win a single seat. FPTP is a system that can be (I’d argue has to be) seriously gamed so the centre and moderate left need to do just that.
Tongue slightly in cheek there but in all seriousness they are rapidly heading that way and it’ll be their undoing with any luck.
Would anyone take a new party seriously if it turned up with some of the disgusting policies such as Rwanda that the Tories have? They trade off their name in some respects.
The usual crap from The Left in here.
Rwanda? If Europe sorted the refugees travelling across its countries they wouldnt even reach the UK!
The usual crap from ‘the right’, it’s all Europe’s fault. Exactly my point, it’s always someone else’s fault, never the government of 12 years.
Maybe the plan is to make the country such a shithole that the immigrants won’t want to come here?
I've stumbled on the side of twelve misty mountains
I've walked and I crawled on six crooked highwaysIt’s all they’ve got, Richard.
The Right thinks that repeating something often enough makes it true and that shouting the loudest makes a lie a fact.
I think this highlights the point I was trying to make.
Whether it’s Labour or Conservative, when you’ve been in power over ten years it becomes very hard to defend perceived failings because you’ve already had ample time to remedy them.
Blaming external forces in the moment becomes a tool on which you become increasingly reliant.
Nothing will ever be this government’s fault these next two years and the spin will be to blame external forces constantly.
Oh and to perpetually claim the Opposition would be even worse in government, pointing to the track record of past opposition governments of which none of the opposition front benches were a meaningful part.
This is standard political rhetoric on both sides historically, but tbh the only real influence on votes cast in 2024 is if people’s falling standard of living is restored, stays the same, or gets even worse, between now and then.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"I am not naive enough to think that all of our problems will be solved by booting the Tories out at the next opportunity but I seriously struggle to see how things will get worse.
If you think about it, you can’t simultaneously blame external forces and say the opposition would be worse in government. The opposition would be dealing with the same external forces. Unless you say ‘fair enough, nothing we could do and nothing the opposition could have done either’ but pigs will fly before a politician says that.
Hopefully Truss grows up a bit now she’s not playing solely to the Tory galleries (for example, the comment about jury being out on France? F off, they are our friends and have been for a long time now). Sadly the first thing she did was have a pointless dig at Corbyn (and I’m not particularly a fan) so I won’t hold my breath.
Just realised that Liz Truss is the first Prime Minister of my lifetime to be younger than me. A depressing thought.
But does she “look” older than you, CAS?
Must admit I thought she was my side of 50 until yesterday.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Starmer is 60! I had him down as early to mid 50s.
I’m getting to the age where I watch a football or rugby match and nearly everyone is younger than me. A couple of PMs are running me close, Sanna Marin of Finland and I believe the leader of Montenegro is younger than she is.
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