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Look at the result of the 7.30 at Warwick if you want to know why people are put off the sport…
And now look at the 3:45 at Sedgefield. Cuts both ways matey.
Oh course FT wont win an RSA on bridle but first time I watched him (beating zaidpour) just screamed RSA in 2012. If he can win a quality Neptune field when not a natural hurdler he must be something special (no talk of him being lucky winner either!). Any talk of running in Arkle is ridiculous.
Three words for you my friend: War Of Attrition.
Mouse won’t want to run the horse in the three mile novice this season. I’d be fairly certain of that.
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I know where you are coming from with reguards to the trainer Imperial. Mouse would never run anything unless it was right for the horse. If this is the case – and the trainer hates the RSA, then First Lieutenant wouldnt run at cheltenham at all. Even to those who dont know the trainer (lol) FL would not have the speed for an arkle, even in soft ground. War of Attrition posessed more natural speed and although a fluent jumper over chases, he did need good ground to show his best and win that gold cup. Would it not be more reasonable to presume Imperial, that Mouse got it wrong by running War of Attrition in Contrabands arkle?? That why im pretty sure FL runs in the RSA. Hes too good to miss the festival. Either way, he wont be in the Arkle!! and we wont know for certain until the trainer gives an interview – beginning of march 2012 then. lol.
Look at the result of the 7.30 at Warwick if you want to know why people are put off the sport…
What was wrong with the 7:30 at Warwick Mr P?
Your objection caused me to watch the replay on RUK. Couldn’t see anything wrong with it myself.
Value Is EverythingThe silly new two and a half mile novice chase could be the one for him. There’s no doubt in my mind that Mouse won’t want to run him over three miles at Cheltenham as a novice. It’s just not his style.
I’d prefer personally if he didn’t go to Cheltenham at all. Beginners chase, Drinmore, Greenmount, Moriarty, Powers Gold Cup and then a crack at one of the big Grade 1s at Punchestown. I’m sick of this lark of Cheltenham being the be all and end all.
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Look at the result of the 7.30 at Warwick if you want to know why people are put off the sport…
What was wrong with the 7:30 at Warwick Mr P?
Your objection caused me to watch the replay on RUK. Couldn’t see anything wrong with it myself.
lol because it was 40/1
Is that all Pleniwotsit has against the result?
Just that it was 40/1?
Value Is EverythingLook at the result of the 7.30 at Warwick if you want to know why people are put off the sport…
What was wrong with the 7:30 at Warwick Mr P?
Your objection caused me to watch the replay on RUK. Couldn’t see anything wrong with it myself.
lol because it was 40/1
Ginger the result was what Plenipotentiary was on about, or rather Plenipotentiary didn’t find the winner so it must be crooked.
An example of Plenipotentiary threads show what I mean.Doesn’t Pleniwotsit realise 40/1 shots win the percentage of races you’d expect 40/1 shots to win?
Seemed to me he was suggesting connections somehow conned punters in some way.
Value Is EverythingDoesn’t Pleniwotsit realise 40/1 shots win the percentage of races you’d expect 40/1 shots to win?
Seemed to me he was suggesting connections somehow conned punters in some way.
Apparently not
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If you CAN deny what I have listed as being the chief pissers of flat racing please do so. They may not bother you but they are part of it. They bother me less when I am winning but I am not foolish enough to think they don’t exist.
This is reasonably diverting, or at least worth staying awake for
Firstly, the phrase "chief pissers" is new to me so I’d appreciate elucidation
Secondly, other than the above quibble I find your words somewhat worringly but nevertheless intriguingly may well bridge the
In medias res
‘twixt Kierkegaard and Nietzche
Existensialism’s an illusion innit?
Chief pissers: the factors that annoy the most.
In medias res: starting to talking about a race after it is over? Well, people tend to. When it comes to racing George Santayana is the philosopher: ‘habit is stronger than reason’ and ‘If pain could have cured us we should long ago have been saved.’
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Look at the result of the 7.30 at Warwick if you want to know why people are put off the sport…
And now look at the 3:45 at Sedgefield. Cuts both ways matey.
I have slung out yesterday’s Post so can’t say if I’d found it or not. I find many more long price winners on jumps than flat. That is the point, they ARE findable. Could anyone say they would have found the winner of the 7.30 at warwick? When it becomes equine roulette, or rather giant escalado…
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Doesn’t Pleniwotsit realise 40/1 shots win the percentage of races you’d expect 40/1 shots to win?
Seemed to me he was suggesting connections somehow conned punters in some way.
Certainly not, don’t look for trouble where there is none. What I was saying was that the only way Joe Schmo – and I would suggest joe pro – would find the winner to that race would be sticking a pin in. Some people may enjoy this but it’s crap really.
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Mind you, I just had Mohawk Ridge at Catterick, my absolute worst track.
Doesn’t Pleniwotsit realise 40/1 shots win the percentage of races you’d expect 40/1 shots to win?
Seemed to me he was suggesting connections somehow conned punters in some way.
Certainly not, don’t look for trouble where there is none. What I was saying was that the only way Joe Schmo – and I would suggest joe pro – would find the winner to that race would be sticking a pin in. Some people may enjoy this but it’s crap really.
Fair Breeze rated on the day by Timeform just 8 lbs below top rated, a rating taken from her three year old form. At the end of that year she was rated with a "p" for improvement likely in future. Although by yesterday that letter had been dropped.
It’s true on this year’s record she had little chance. But a look at form comments such as "possibly amiss" reflect all was probably not well with the filly. If whatever physically ailed her could be rectified, then she had a chance. Arguabley better than the 2.4% chance she’d need to be for 40/1 to be a good bet. When feeling something, a horse will run poorly, very poorly. Once fixed (sometimes without sugery or connections knowing it’s fixed) it can come straight back to form.
This wasn’t a betting coup either. At SP of 40/1 there wasn’t much money for the Richard Phillips trained horse. And being a Class 6 event worth a poultry £1,772.42 to winning connections; they didn’t exactly make much on the race either.
Although by sprinter/7furlong horse Trade Fair, she is out of a hurdle winner Soft Touch so could have had a fair degree of stamina. Though it was speed that won Fair Breeze the race. Tackling a trip almost 3 furlongs further than previously. She had more speed than most in the field. It’s very possible the race flattered her greatly too. Settling well in a prominent position in a race run at a slow pace, while many others behind pulled hard. In the right place to go for home early in the straight and just holding the fast finishing Timeform top rated.
Nothing wrong with the race at all. An "upset" like this should be expected now and again when these circumstances prevail.
It baffles me that someone who thinks the game is so bent is still betting!
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Repeat: I don’t think it is ‘so bent’. I said, and stand by it, it is too hard to win to make a wide appeal. It is alienating and in many cases is an insult to the intelligence as a betting medium. And if you do start winning the bookies get arsy about taking the bets. This game is not all sweetness and light.
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But it has bent moments, let’s face it.
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