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minor Royals have a long history of tootling off to foreign parts and being blown to pieces
I can’t think of any who have actually ended up dead – have there been any?
minor Royals have a long history of tootling off to foreign parts and being blown to pieces
I can’t think of any who have actually ended up dead – have there been any?
Some "minor Royals" were killed in WW2 although, off the top of my head, I cannot remember which ones.
The Queen’s uncle, George Duke of Kent was killed in the second world war I think. Other than that I’m struggling to think of any in recent times, so I’ll attempt to back up my ill-researched assertion by pointing you towards the Plantagenets and the extended family of Edward III
Really just trying to point out that it is customary for male members of the Royal family to join the forces and if they enjoy being ‘front line’ as Harry seems to be, then they shouldn’t be exempted from exposure to the full horrors of war, nor any more tears spilt than those by the families of ‘commoners’ killed in action.
The Queen’s uncle, George Duke of Kent was killed in the second world war I think.
Thanks Drone – that’s the one I was thinking of – 4th son of George V, so equivalent to Prince Edward today I suppose. (and similar to Prince Edward in may ways – allegedly he adds to avoid the wrath of the lawyers)
Killed in an air crash in 1942.
Harry is a usless illiagit. Charles is not fir too be king, Ann should take the thrown followed by Zara. They seem too have the balls and the brains not the useless males in that family.
Laughing at Neil
Think it’s probably just a case of a group of lads, away from home, showing off for want of a better word!
Note the lad that was called it wasn’t the one complaining!!On teh matter of whether it qualfies as racist – if the use of a derogatory term such as ‘paki’, a term synonymous with the disrespect of people wholly on grounds of race, doesn’t qualify I’m not sure what does.
Have to disagree with you Corm – taken to its lowest level a word is just a sound and it is the context in which it is used that is important. I could take any innocuous word you wanted and say it with venom and spite to someone and that would be worse than that what Prince Harry said.
I have related this story many times before but my best friend is Welsh and I often greet him with a “hello you old Taffy *******” and he usually responds by calling me a “sassanach ***” – would you call that racist?
Or another example if, next time we meet at the racecourse, I said, with a smile, "Hello you old Jock" would you be offended that I had addressed you with a racial epithet?
Because if Paki is racist then so must Jock, Taffy etc as well
Paul – it doesn’t have to be articulated in a spiteful or hateful way. In fact the throwaway use of discriminatory or disrespectful terms is sometimes worse.
Really find it hard to believe that Harry referring to a colleague as ‘our Paki friend’ is not unanimously felt to have had racist undertones. The fact that Harry may not have said it with any ill-feeling has nothing to do with it.The Queen’s uncle, George Duke of Kent was killed in the second world war I think. Other than that I’m struggling to think of any in recent times, so I’ll attempt to back up my ill-researched assertion by pointing you towards the Plantagenets and the extended family of Edward III
Lord Mountbatten (who I think is the queens cousin) was killed by the IRA whilst holidaying in these parts if that counts?
On the subject of racism within the forces, the forces is almost certainly not racist, it is people who are racist. Racism is a big no no in the forces, but that doesnt mean I didnt meet racist people in the forces.
One of my mates was south african-ish, his father had been in the rhodesian mounted police and had killed many a blick, they had been forced out of there at something like 24 hours notice when things went belly up out there. In an indian restaurant one night one of the waiters tapped him on the shoulder and he went doo-lally, probably the most racist person I have met.
After that it would probably be two lads, one from wakefield and one from dewsbury, both areas with large muslim and hindu communities, and they revelled in racism. They were both big leeds fans and I remember they just to used to repeatedly quote lee bowyers phrase "you want some?… paki". They even called me a paki (in a joking way) because I had a sun tan, and they were anaemic looking.
Most of the people who I met definitely appear non racist, which in a culturally diverse working environment, is what you need to be to get things done. I have seen much more racism outside the forces, but then NI is one of the most racist places around.
One thing I always found strange in the forces, however, is that almost all black people almost always tend to sit at their own self designated tables, even when they dont work together, they will go and sit at the same table at lunch times and not with their workmates. The gurkas, fijians, asians etc will all just sit wherever.
I remember myself and a jamaican fella, guarding a secure compound in the falklands and watching Family Guy episodes back to back. There was a bit where peter sang a song called "My black son" and there was an uncomfortable silence, as I waited for him to laugh, which he did, thank god.
I think the term Paki on its own is generally offensive, because a) it is so often followed by a word like b@stard etc that it has developed a stigma that makes unsayable these days. b) it is so often used to describe people who arent even from pakistan, I have heard it used to describe Indians, arabs, (black white) mixed race turks, spanish, chileans, and basically anyone with a tan. I even heard the st helenian people who work in the falklands refered to collectively as "south atlantic pakis". Paki like nigger is one of those words that in this day and age shouldnt really be used IMO.
On the subject of Prince Harry I think it was a stupid comment but one that wasnt meant in malice, but as he is still young (was younger then) and hasnt had a racially diverse upbringing. An apology should cover it, but lets face it, if he wasnt who he was, his head would roll for such a comment, but then I would think that was an over reaction regardless of who it was, for what is effectively just a stupid mistake.
Another factor to bear in mind about the video is that a lot of the people in the video are sleeping and everyone looks a bit tired, so they may have been on exercise and sleep deprived at the time, including PH. Not an excuse but possibly a contributing factor. Rational thinking and sleep deprivation dont exactly go hand in hand.
I watched Blazing Saddles on Channel 5 last night.
PMSL then I realise that the film was clearly racist. The use of the word niger throughout must have been offensive to someone 
. Must write to C5 complain about this. Perhaps the News of the World will run a story on how racist C5 is?I have also met loads of people "racist" in my time in the Army. I have met many many more outside in my civie life.
Paul – it doesn’t have to be articulated in a spiteful or hateful way. In fact the throwaway use of discriminatory or disrespectful terms is sometimes worse.
Really find it hard to believe that Harry referring to a colleague as ‘our Paki friend’ is not unanimously felt to have had racist undertones. The fact that Harry may not have said it with any ill-feeling has nothing to do with it.But you still have not answered my question – what is the difference between Paki, Taffy Jock etc?
Cormack
Would "our little Pakistani" have been just as bad or is it just the shortening of the word that indicates it being offensive ?
What are your views on Frog, Kraut, Pom, Sweaty Sock, Septic Yank, Dago, Wop, Nip , Chink etc ?
It seems to me that the English/British have a long history of categorising people not only foreigners but down to a regional level, and then again down to a town / village level. I would hazard a guess however that this probably goes on around the world and whilst not condoning it I do think sometimes that political correctness has gone mad and in this case I can’t help thinking that had he said "our little froggie friend" there wouldn’t have been such a fuss.
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Paul – it doesn’t have to be articulated in a spiteful or hateful way. In fact the throwaway use of discriminatory or disrespectful terms is sometimes worse.
Really find it hard to believe that Harry referring to a colleague as ‘our Paki friend’ is not unanimously felt to have had racist undertones. The fact that Harry may not have said it with any ill-feeling has nothing to do with it.But you still have not answered my question – what is the difference between Paki, Taffy Jock etc?
I think there is a big difference Paul. It is the intent and origin of the name calling that is significant.
As the ugly redheaded retarded in-bred should have known
cormack15 wrote:
Paul – it doesn’t have to be articulated in a spiteful or hateful way. In fact the throwaway use of discriminatory or disrespectful terms is sometimes worse.
Really find it hard to believe that Harry referring to a colleague as ‘our Paki friend’ is not unanimously felt to have had racist undertones. The fact that Harry may not have said it with any ill-feeling has nothing to do with it.But you still have not answered my question – what is the difference between Paki, Taffy Jock etc?
I think there is a big difference Paul. It is the intent and origin of the name calling that is significant.
As the ugly redheaded retarded in-bred should have known
I agree it is the intent that is significant, however I would say the origin is irrelevant. there is no difference between Paki and Taffy as far as I am concerned.
Having viewed the video it is absolutely clear there was no malice meant in the usage and this whole thing has been blown out of all proportion because of who said it, not what was said. Had it been an officer from a "working class" background the episode would not even have mertied a mention.
If I’m playing poker with my Irish mate, and he rivers me for a big pot, he would very much expect me to call him something along the lines of “a spawny, bog-trotting, pig-under-the-arm, spud-gobbling, Paddy kent”, and he would almost certainly not consider my outburst to be racist in any way, shape or form.
But if I said the same thing to a random Irishman under similar circumstances, he probably would consider it racist……before twatting me roundly about my lug-holes.
It’s all about context.
The Prince ‘Arry episode should be viewed in it’s proper context; that of a bunch of knackered squaddies mouthing-off amongst themselves.
. Must write to C5 complain about this. Perhaps the News of the World will run a story on how racist C5 is?
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