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He might have idled, but either way, Saint Roi had an unlucky race lol? So much went wrong.
I’m not saying he’ll put away Epatante based on today, but for me, he’s certainly the springer whos on the improve and will really enjoy the race in March. Has to get there in one piece and still progress.
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Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!Disagree with that. Nothing to do with tactical speed. Mark Walsh decides not to take the gap up Sundae’s side as it would’ve left him in the open very early. Then he jumps one bad, and the gap closes when the rail starts. The horses on the outside stand their ground as you’d expect. Giving Mark Walsh no optiion but to take Saint Roi back as Sundae is the one travelling least well.
Ruby explains it well.
HDLG, the horse was better than he finished, if that was due to a ride or due to something else the horse is unlucky. That’s how i see it when i call a horse “unlucky”. The horse did pick up in the end, just a little too late.
Either way, i think all 3 in that race need to step up again to trouble Epatante. I don’t think Epatante is at such a high level whereby they won’t though.
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Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!Ruby explained what happened to Saint Roi well I thought. Walsh had a strong grip on him the whole way and he was keen enough at the slow pace.
but I didn’t agree with him regard Abacadabras being a weak finisher, not in general anyway as both he and Shishkin both pulled well clear in the Supreme and neither were stopping.
These races are chalk and cheese in comparison how they pan out in a Champion Hurdle and I wouldn’t write either of these two offBlackbeard to conquer the World
I honestly think you can’t take much out of that. What did we learn from a tactically slow run race?
1. Mark Walsh didn’t have the best of rides getting boxed in at the critical time of the race (fact).
2. ABACADABRAS is undoubtedly very good but does seem to have his own ideas about the game, flicking his ears and idling?
3. SAINT ROI proving he is much better than a handicapper and needs a stronger gallop (which he will get in the champion) and is a strong finisher.
4. JASON THE MILITANT is an improver or extremely flattered by his finishing position?Interestingly the times from the 4th last for BUILDMEUPBUTTERCUP race (2 mile 2 furlongs) and FURY ROAD (over 2 mile 6 furlongs) were both exactly 3 seconds quicker than the Morgina over the last 4 hurdles that was run just over 2 miles.
Conclusion:
A tactically slow race that didn’t tell me nowt. I’m holding judgement on all horses in that race and would not be surprised if both the front two are bang there come the final furlong in the Champion.
…..And FURY ROAD is quite good
Shishkin and Abacadabras pulled well clear in the Supreme because the 2 horses who were travelling best into the race were taken out of the race by Asterion Forlonge. I’m not convinced that the Supreme form is as hot as some think it is. Be interesting to see if Shishkin really is the second coming of Altior but I’ve a feeling he might not be.
Mark Walsh was choking the life out of Saint Roi all the way. He should have let him make the running; I think Saint Roi is around 6-7 lbs better than Abacadabras based on what I saw yesterday and that will make him a contender in the Champion.
Fair enough but he still ran up the hill in a manner that didn’t scream weak finisher.
I’m more incline to go with the idled Infront theory for nowBlackbeard to conquer the World
Vautour how can he be 6 or 7lbs superior off yesterday’s run , ok Walsh got his tatics wrong but no way would he have won by 6 or 7 lengths , Abra didn’t nothing wrong and is also still improving
Well saint roi pulled walshs arms out the entire way round and was positioned badly
Abracadabras travelled smoothly and got a perfect run
Perfectly reasonable to conclude Saint Roi is the better horse come march imo
Especially since he is a year younger and less exposed
But this seems to just be Abacadabras ante post backers and Saint Roi backers (like me) seeing what they want to see hahaha
Well I’m a Saldier backer so I don’t care either way but it was fairly clear that Saint Roi is the better horse
Epatante will likely beat the lot of ’em so it don’t really matter to me who beats who over there.
FF surely the fact Abra travelled so well rather than pull his jockeys arms shows he’s a mor professional horse , I also believe he,s less exposed
How can he be less exposed?
Hes a year older and has seen a track 4 more times in total and 6 more times in GB&I
Of course he’s a more professional horse at this stage, that was my point, he’s more mature and more exposed
So theoretically has less scope for improvement than Saint Roi
Who pulled the jockeys arms out the entire way round, wasting tonnes of energy in the process and still almost won
When you see horses pull like that they normally tail off not run on, to do so he must have an engine
Hopefully he runs in the Matheson and Irish champion hurdle to gain the track experience he needs
FF 4 more starts is hardly overexposed , Abra has done more so far and there is no reason to think he to isn’t still improving …u a 100% sure Saint Roi won’t pull badly next time …
Quite like this Abacadabras. Reminds me a bit of a ‘Harchibald Lite’.
Travels beautifully, and seems to run in races which end up in fierce discussion.
Box office horse.
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Abra isn’t a bridle horse , he provided d that Sunday , as I’ve already said it’s looking a strong champ hurdle
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